The Yorkshire Ripper question?

[PassingStranger]

Just read that it cost the taxpayer 11 billion to keep him alive including his funeral?
Do you still feel the same way about him being hung for his murders?

is it acceptable to the taxpayer to pay that much, when there are so many other things that the money could have been spent on, or dosent the money matter?

Define "proper professionals". It's not as if anyone thinks that judges, for instance, are infallible.

As has been pointed out, the issue with the capital punishment debate is not just one of counting up how many innocent people would get executed versus how many may get killed by convicts released after their sentences come to an end. In many cases, if an innocent person is convicted that means a killer is left to roam free. Andrew Evans is a classic example: he served 25 years for a crime he didn't commit, and it's now thought that the true killer was in fact Peter Sutcliffe. So if you have to put all those extra innocent deaths into the balance as well. If the innocent wrongly accused person is killed, there is no real motivation to keep investigating.

So do you want lifetime prison for every crime? Do you think that's realistic? We would have go quadruple our prison capacity, and we'd have massive trouble recruiting prison officers. Do you want to be in charge of a load of violent men who have nothing to lose?

No state sanctioned murders of offenders.
At any price!
And the Daily Fail is a rag.

People don't have sympathy and compassion for murderers. They just don't want them to be killed by the state as the death penalty is barbaric and medieval and not acceptable in a civilised country. There have been many miscarriages of justice where innocent people have been convicted who would have been killed if we had still had the death penalty.

I am absolutely opposed to the death penalty. If I heard that Rose West had been killed by a fellow inmate, I would be quite glad.

This surely cannot be a real comment, did you read that before you hit send? So dumb!

*WhatsInTheRug
Ok

And how will you staff this place? Would you also want to work in those conditions with those prisoners?

Probably a similar way to oil rigs. Also staff don't actually stay in the cells now as far as I know so I wouldn't have the same restrictions on their accommodation 👀😳.*

Most of us like to go home at night thanks.....so no, that silly little fantasy won't work. Again, there's no money in the prison service.

No you wouldn't.

Also, for all the books and 'documentaries' you watch, you know nothing about prison

I was cringing on your behalf reading that!

@MoonWoman69

It makes me laugh when people talk of the human rights of prisoners who have killed. Where were there victims human rights when they were being brutally and innocently slaughtered?!

Because we rightly hold states to different standards than violent criminals. That's how a society works.

Good for you 👏🏻

I wasn't suggesting that it acted as a deterrent, I was simply saying that that was probably the reason they were not given the death penalty. I remember the Moors murders very clearly, we weren't far away, and my mother offered to execute them personally, the details in the trial were so very disturbing.

@thepariscrimefiles

"I am absolutely opposed to the death penalty. If I heard that Rose West had been killed by a fellow inmate, I would be quite glad."

so you would rather have a system of chaos where another baddie does it for you?

Some people do seem to weirdly defend them though.
Someone said they thought it was OK that Sutcliffe should get his pension.
I mean why.
The victims never got to claim a pension!!!
Also they get to claim compensation if they are attacked.
Shouldn't be allowed.
Being attacked and living amongst violence is part of prison life.
Accept it. Don't go in, it's not compulsory.

So we kill people based on their trial then science develops and evidence is disproven and oooops he wasn’t guilty at all, what do we do he’s already dead ???? Stuffing him in a prison at least leave room for correction of errors

It is actually quite an impressive sum when you compare it to the amount of a pension annually. Why did it cost so much to keep him incarcerated? 32 years x £12,000 is only around £385,000.

I am not advocating for a system where murderers are killed by other inmates. What I'm saying is that people who think the death penalty is barbaric don't support/like/feel sorry/advocate for these murderers. When notorious murderers die in prison whether at the hands of other prisoners or by natural causes, even people who oppose the death penalty will probably think 'good riddance' rather than 'that's a shame'.

I still think that it is wrong for the state to execute its own citizens.

@SpunkyKoala I think you have hit the nail on the head with your post. Many of the big time killers were from an era when we did not have the techniques we have now. Police were known to be less than correct with their tactics. The 1980s was the heyday of the serial killers. We have to deal with the remainder of these people but many are now gone. Hopefully we won't have to deal with the same horrors as we have in the past. Guilt is much easier to prove nowadays.

It's worth it to have saved the lives of the women who he didn't murder after he was caught. The death penalty is inherently wrong for a myriad of reasons.

Security and staff.

It's in the Daily Express so it MUST be true.

Presumably that includes the cost of prison staff (so helping the unemployment figures), food (business for the catering industry) and similar.

If this is right (& I have still to be convinced) seems like it's keeping money in circulation which is always a good thing.

This.
Killing people to demonstrate that killing people is wrong is insane. And it doesn't work: people continue to kill other people regardless of whether the death penalty exists.

Aren't they more valuable doing the jobs they're qualified for?

I can just imagine the outrage the day some hate figure gets acquitted by a jury of media studies and politics lecturers.