Page 9 | Police officer cleared

Toomanywars · 2024-10-21T17:39:27+00:00

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

herecomesautumn · 21/10/2024 23:06

Astrabees · 21/10/2024 22:43

We don’t have the death penalty in this country, so shocked people are trying to justify his execution as he had previous convictions and was being awkward to the police.

Don't be silly. There was no "execution"

A violent criminal FAFO and the police officer was quite rightly cleared of any wrongdoing.

Bikessmikes · 21/10/2024 23:07

I would be utterly ashamed and desperately sorry for his victims and the police, not making statements to the press about the "injustice" and how they've been "robbed" of their son.

They are grieving & understandably so.

Hyperbowl · 21/10/2024 23:07

username35890 · 21/10/2024 22:53

@Hyperbowl

His car was linked to a fatal shooting which would have fit the criteria for armed police to be deployed.

The car wasn't linked to a fatal shooting. It was believed to be linked to a firearms incident.

They knew enough about him to know he was linked to a murder

He wasn't linked to a murder. The car was linked to a firearms incident.

That’s all they needed to know about it at that point. He wasn’t stationary by choice. He knew he was faced with armed police who would have potentially needed to erase any threat he posed to them and the public by not cooperating and behaving dangerously by driving backwards and forwards in his car.

No one was in danger and it doesn't matter if he was stationary by choice, he didn't pose an imminent threat to life and was not driving at speed

He gave them no other option by his own design. The chances were too great to risk him being able to run people over by him being able to free himself which he had already attempted in order evade justice for a murder that he did commit.

He wasn't being chased for a murder.

He was a murderer, who killed people and who would have willingly killed again.

You're just making stuff up, it's weird.

I got my wires crossed along the lines as I thought that he had murdered someone turns out he just shot a man twice in the legs so I guess that is irrelevant and child’s play and then driving a car that was linked to a shooting the night before. You know the kind of shooting that kills people. I still can’t imagine why the officer would think that this upstanding citizen of the law would pose a threat to life. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I can hold my hands up and admit I was wrong but you’ve been linked to a video by another poster that clearly shows he was revving his car and driving into police cars but you still won’t admit that it’s dangerous and aggressive. That’s on you, and that’s embarrassing. You keep painfully plugging this idea that as he wasn’t driving at speed that he wasn’t driving dangerously or threatening the lives of the police officers but the facts are he was and you can’t change that. The fact that you keep defending this is not only weird but really messed up.

I’m not going to be replying to you again but one last thing you really should think about is how it wasn’t the Met as a body that cleared this officer of murder it was a jury of laymen that represent the society that we live in. Let that sink in before you keep spouting how it was the corruption of the Met that allowed this officer to walk free.

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:08

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:03

You're being really obtuse.

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Asking someone to back up what they're saying is 'obtuse'.

Whothefuckdoesthat · 21/10/2024 23:11

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:02

Cool. Can you link to the Met shoot to kill policy please?

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If they are trained to shoot people in the head or the centre of the torso, and you don’t understand that it’s going to kill them, then there’s probably no point in linking to any policies, is there?

It’s like arguing with an egg mayo sandwich.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 21/10/2024 23:11

Cool. Can you link to the Met shoot to kill policy please?

While the Met don't have a specific shoot to kill policy, they do obviously allow the use of firearms under specific circumstances. And what do you realistically think the outcome of being shot is going to be?

Bikessmikes · 21/10/2024 23:11

Yes the Met had serious issues within its culture, that doesn’t discredit every action they take.

Yep

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:11

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:08

Asking someone to back up what they're saying is 'obtuse'.

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She (or somebody else), has already clearly explained that although we may not have a shoot to kill policy, we have armed police officers for a reason.

You repeating yourself won't change that.

RobinStrike · 21/10/2024 23:12

There were 12 people on the jury and they had to come to a unanimous verdict. They sat through all the evidence and found Blake not guilty. It's not the Met, or CPS who made the judgement, it was ordinary people who listened to the facts and watch the bodycam evidence. Why @username35890 are you determined to believe 12 people "let off" a guilty man rather than making their best judgement?

Bikessmikes · 21/10/2024 23:12

He wasn't threatening, he just tried to drive away.

Err not stopping & trying to drive away from the police is threatening behaviour as it forces escalation.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 21/10/2024 23:14

He wasn't threatening, he just tried to drive away.

He was surrounded by police and police cars so "driving away" in that case becomes life-threatening.

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:15

Hyperbowl · 21/10/2024 23:07

I got my wires crossed along the lines as I thought that he had murdered someone turns out he just shot a man twice in the legs so I guess that is irrelevant and child’s play and then driving a car that was linked to a shooting the night before. You know the kind of shooting that kills people. I still can’t imagine why the officer would think that this upstanding citizen of the law would pose a threat to life. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I can hold my hands up and admit I was wrong but you’ve been linked to a video by another poster that clearly shows he was revving his car and driving into police cars but you still won’t admit that it’s dangerous and aggressive. That’s on you, and that’s embarrassing. You keep painfully plugging this idea that as he wasn’t driving at speed that he wasn’t driving dangerously or threatening the lives of the police officers but the facts are he was and you can’t change that. The fact that you keep defending this is not only weird but really messed up.

I’m not going to be replying to you again but one last thing you really should think about is how it wasn’t the Met as a body that cleared this officer of murder it was a jury of laymen that represent the society that we live in. Let that sink in before you keep spouting how it was the corruption of the Met that allowed this officer to walk free.

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The police didn't know who he was when they stopped the car. They wouldn't have known about his past.

I've already seen the footage. I described what he did several times, he backed into a police car, went forward and hit another police car and stopped.

He didn't drive towards nor hit any police officers. He didn't verbally threaten any police officers.

You need to get a handle on other people having different views to you. We don't all agree here. If you think I'm 'messed up' don't engage.

MilletOver · 21/10/2024 23:17

mids2019 · 21/10/2024 22:32

Correct decision and I hope the police officer involved can get on with the rest of his life now.

I think we have to question why the CPS in retrospect felt they had a realistic chance of conviction given the evidence in court? Did the CPS feel 'something has to be seen to be done' given racial politics in the capital? We're there those in the CPS worried about accusations of a racist cover up if they hadn't proceeded?

I think there has been a reluctance for the left wing press to highlight the gang land links of this individual and there was a narrative sown of this being another proof of an institutionally racist met. If the jury had somehow found the other way then we would be having a public enquiry and perhaps another BLM moment.

The first news reports were all hand wringing ‘father to be, young rapper’ … while all the local young people in my Ds’s circle, many black, were identifying him as exactly what he was.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 21/10/2024 23:17

@username35890 why do you think the jury reached the conclusion they did, out of interest?

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:17

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:15

The police didn't know who he was when they stopped the car. They wouldn't have known about his past.

I've already seen the footage. I described what he did several times, he backed into a police car, went forward and hit another police car and stopped.

He didn't drive towards nor hit any police officers. He didn't verbally threaten any police officers.

You need to get a handle on other people having different views to you. We don't all agree here. If you think I'm 'messed up' don't engage.

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You need to get a handle on other people having different views to you. We don't all agree here. If you think I'm 'messed up' don't engage.

Take your own advice here. There are so many factors to consider here that don't all rely on the police not knowing about his past, which are the very reasons he ended up shot.

AdviceNeeded2024 · 21/10/2024 23:18

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:17

You need to get a handle on other people having different views to you. We don't all agree here. If you think I'm 'messed up' don't engage.

Take your own advice here. There are so many factors to consider here that don't all rely on the police not knowing about his past, which are the very reasons he ended up shot.

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Quite. Pot and kettle springs to mind here!!

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:18

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:11

She (or somebody else), has already clearly explained that although we may not have a shoot to kill policy, we have armed police officers for a reason.

You repeating yourself won't change that.

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The Met doesn't have a shoot to kill policy. I know that because I've read their policy. They've never had a shoot to kill policy. The poster was arguing that the police are trained to shoot people in the head. That's a shoot to kill policy because shooting people in the head tends to kill them.

middleagedspreading · 21/10/2024 23:19

Brilliant

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:19

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:18

The Met doesn't have a shoot to kill policy. I know that because I've read their policy. They've never had a shoot to kill policy. The poster was arguing that the police are trained to shoot people in the head. That's a shoot to kill policy because shooting people in the head tends to kill them.

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Argue that with the police then.
Because that's exactly what armed police are trained to do.

UndertheCedartree · 21/10/2024 23:19

Why did he shoot him in the head? Couldn't he have fired at the car to stop it moving?

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:20

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:17

You need to get a handle on other people having different views to you. We don't all agree here. If you think I'm 'messed up' don't engage.

Take your own advice here. There are so many factors to consider here that don't all rely on the police not knowing about his past, which are the very reasons he ended up shot.

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You're the one who isn't aware of the facts. Like I said, don't engage.

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:21

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:20

You're the one who isn't aware of the facts. Like I said, don't engage.

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What facts am I unaware of?

Bikessmikes · 21/10/2024 23:21

He didn't drive towards nor hit any police officers. He didn't verbally threaten any police officers.

You are missing the bit where if the police tell you to stop, you need to stop.

Why would the police wait until he had hit someone?!

Christ do people realise real life is very different to the movies.

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:22

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:19

Argue that with the police then.
Because that's exactly what armed police are trained to do.

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No they're not.

Bikessmikes · 21/10/2024 23:22

Why did he shoot him in the head? Couldn't he have fired at the car to stop it moving?

What part of a car do you shoot at to stop it moving?