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Police officer cleared

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Toomanywars · 21/10/2024 18:39

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba

Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

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TheThreeCheesesOfTheApocalypse44 · 22/10/2024 13:13

At the end of the day if you play stupid games you win stupid prizes......he wanted to play at being a little gangsta and died as a consequence of that. I'm just glad no members of the public were hurt because let's face it if he'd got out of that roadblock it's highly doubtful he'd have been following the highway code. 🙄

Hunnymonster1 · 22/10/2024 13:14

Turns out the dude was a wrong un and had been involved in shootings weeks before this listening right now on the radio. In worse gang in london and no police shouldn't be above the law but the family wanted his past hidden why? So that folks go straight on all cops are baxxxrds . Of course some are but they need to be able to take these dodgy dudes down who are violent

ChesterDrawz · 22/10/2024 13:15

@Oblomov24

Not once have I ever claimed he was a good man, I am just questioning the fact he was shot dead :

The police don't shoot 'to kill' or 'not to kill'.

If they have to shoot they are aiming to stop/incapacitate and that may well be deadly.

Restlessinthenorth · 22/10/2024 13:18

EasyTouch · 22/10/2024 13:07

There is something really wrong with the media and political force teaming of being Black with Black career criminals justifiably getting hemmed up by the police.

Also the amount of social energy expected to be expended by Black people over wrong'uns who happen to be Black whose behaviour is nullified by Institutions that so many of us claim are racist.....all in lieu of the failure of Black families putting serious effort into stopping their usually male members carrying on a whole sociopathic fool.

Ten times out of nine against other Black people, criminal or nay.
First rule of career criminality is that it's either going to be the coffin or the cell.

Second rule is the acceptance of the first rule.

I've damn near cringed up a kidney behind all the energy that BLM on both sides of the Atlantic behind mostly life long male criminals who inflicted terror upon other Black people. But nary a whisper when Black males murder, rape other Black people without a White person near or far to be blamed.

A movement demanding justice that hasn't got honour and righteousness as core tenets as opposed to narcissism and disingenuity will always be a flop.

My own younger family members gave me the criminal biography of Mr Kaba. I knew he had shot up a club the day it was reported he got shot by the police.

Black people do not need criminal adjacent Black people or racist 'White Man's Burden" liberal/ leftists trying to put a battery in our collective backs to get us worked up over Black criminals who hate Black Life more than the MET police could ever hope to.

I am tired of the usual suspect trouble makers throwing rocks and hiding hands behind fake narratives.
I could almost admire them if they did it with a wink of audacity. Grifting is a very old profession after all. But it does require the ability to lie to oneself as well to others.

These nowadays activists have not got the zeal, intellect, audacity, sense of "knowing" or humour or lack of need of the same Institutional White approval that they claim to despise that came last century.

Hence even White Granny from Outer Hebrides being able to clock their blustering ineffectiveness at first glance.
Big dutty embarassment.

Mr Kaba's family should feel shame. However, I know his criminality was coddled due to the money he gave them.

And now that well has run dry without even a mortgage signature to show for it.

And now lying about a missing Rolex as if people would not ask as to how it was acquired with a lack of evidence of consistent, legal employment combined with an abstinent nature not evident in Mr Kaba's character makeup?

These people need to sit down and find some sense and Black Pride.

Very well said

marshmallowmix · 22/10/2024 13:18

his mother wanted his past kept hidden...says it all really!

There income stream has gone gonna have to get a regular job.

Justice has been served...

Grandmasswagbag · 22/10/2024 13:21

What's bizarre is that this was ever a murder trial. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation there is absolutely no way it would ever have been proved to be murder. Big questions for the CPS really. All very odd.

Kendodd · 22/10/2024 13:26

Have the family spoken since CK criminal past has been revealed? I wonder if the vigil last night (thank god it didn't turn into a riot) would have been the same had his past been known?
Also, anyone know if there's a Go Fund Me page for the officers?

darksideofthestudio · 22/10/2024 13:27

@TwigletsAndRadishes you summed
up, perfectly, my views.

I note that the family have described the verdict as a devastating moment for the family, the community and the nation. No, a dangerous criminal failed to adhere to the instructions of the Police. It’s that simple, and the only person to blame is CK. I can’t help think that many others have now been saved from death or life-changing injuries as a result of CK’s decision. The family should reflect on this, and the huge amount of money and resources taken up their son over the years, and accept the verdict and swell of public opinion.

Cattery · 22/10/2024 13:31

InThePinkScarf · 22/10/2024 13:06

There are so many out there who want this to be a 'George Floyd ' moment. So pathetic.

The officer made the right call and in return had his life destroyed for two years. Then we all wonder why the police can't retain their staff. Country has gone to the dogs.

It so has. Lawless, gang-ridden shithole because the police are unable to get on and do their jobs without being put on trial or heckled.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 22/10/2024 13:39

If CK had finally got his car out of the space, how hard would he have hit the police office stood infront of him, at such a low speed, enough to do what damage exactly to his legs? a bump, a bruise, broken? Not life threatening is it?

He was driving an Audi Q8. The entry level model has 335 horsepower and does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds and weighs over 2 tonnes. For comparison, a Vauxhall corsa weighs on average less than a tonne, does 0-60 in 13 seconds and has 100 horsepower. You are utterly deluded to think being run over by an Audi Q8 (which from the footage you can see was being rammed with force) would cause just a bump/bruise/broken bones.

The Audi was not blocked in front on by a police car, there were two police cars either side of it, hampering its ability to get through but I think it’s pretty clear from the diagram/footage and given the power of this vehicle that it could have pushed through with a few more rams. The officer was stood immediately in front of the car, i.e. directly at risk of being run over, which, as others have pointed out has happened before, therefore reasonable to assume there is an immediate threat to his life given the suspect was still revving. The idea that he could have “shot to disarm” a seated suspect, blocked by a steering wheel in the dark, in a residential street with multiple vehicles and officers surrounding is utterly laughable.

A suspect driving a vehicle linked to a shooting (outside a primary school) the night before, who is behaving aggressively (ramming cars) and failing to stop for armed police is an immediate threat to the public, never mind the officers involved.

I personally think it’s perfectly reasonable that a suspect who the police have reason to believe is armed and is refusing to surrender should be stopped at all costs. What are the police meant to do? Wave him off and see if he’ll comply tomorrow or whenever they next bump into him and never mind if he injures or kills someone else in the meantime?

marshmallowmix · 22/10/2024 13:43

what's Sadiq Khanabout this? he has destroyed London in so many ways...it is unrecognisable from 20 years ago

EasternStandard · 22/10/2024 13:45

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/10/2024 12:42

Why do we know the police officer's name? Given the threats to his life must have been anticipated could they not have kept him anonymous?

He and his family must be terrified.

I agree, that tweet below is part of it

PhoebeFeels · 22/10/2024 13:49

Kaba was a dangerous man, with a powerful car trying to batter his way through, obviously not caring if Police Officers were injured in the process.
IMO, CPS should not have prosecuted as there was little likelihood of a conviction.
At least the criminals can see that sometimes they get their comeuppance.

PlanetCats · 22/10/2024 13:49

I hope his family have the same sense of justice for Kaba's victims, such as his battered pregnant girlfriend?

Purplebunnie · 22/10/2024 13:49

It just takes ramming your foot on the accelerator hard to be moving with speed to maim, injure or kill - seconds

The driver of the Audi was already revving the engine. How would the police officer know that the driver was not going to ram their foot down? My assumption facing the siltation of a person sitting revving his car surrounded by police and not complying with their instructions is that they are going to floor the accelerator and therefore injury to other people was imminent

I wish there had been a different outcome, but I can see how the police interpreted the actions of the driver a the time

ThatsNotMyTeen · 22/10/2024 13:53

Oblomov24 · 22/10/2024 12:19

Fortunately prh has put it better on another thread.

Not once have I ever claimed he was a good man, I am just questioning the fact he was shot dead :

Loveinacandle · Today 12:11

prh47bridge · Today 12:07
"I don't see anyone defending him. I do see people questioning whether the police should have shot him dead, which is very different.
As per one of my earlier posts, since 1990 nearly 1900 people have died either in police custody or as a result of contact with the police. In that time only one police officer has been convicted of murder or manslaughter in relation to these deaths. Some of the victims have been awful people. Others, such as Jean Charles de Menezes, had not done anything wrong. If we give the police a free pass on killing people because the victim was a violent criminal, more innocent people will be killed by the police.
I am not saying the police should never kill anyone. There are circumstances where it is the right thing to do. And, when forced to make a split-second decision, armed police may kill someone when, with more time to consider, it looks like the wrong decision. In those circumstances I support the police.
It is about getting the right balance. Holding police officers to account when they overstep the mark, but accepting they have a difficult job to do and making sure we don't undermine their ability to do it."

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Exactly this. If a Police office shoots you dead because they’re scared, is that okay? A criminal being chased by the police is hardly news but at what point does the police have the right to kill you. The verdict is unsurprising but I don’t think suggesting that he was a bad guy and therefore deserved it is the ‘gotcha’ that people seem to think it is

Ideally they wouldn’t have shot him dead, but I would like to see you do a better job in the circumstances, faced with someone who with the benefit of hindsight you know wasn’t armed, but who given his form and the intel on him could easily have been

Kaba, like Mark Duggan, brought it on himself. If he’d been a better person he’d have been nowhere near the situation.

BlueLimeRun · 22/10/2024 13:54

Did the family think none of this would come out?
Absolute lack of reflection or responsibility.

BoobyDazzler · 22/10/2024 14:02

PlanetCats · 22/10/2024 13:49

I hope his family have the same sense of justice for Kaba's victims, such as his battered pregnant girlfriend?

They won’t give a fuck. I would imagine their only sorrow is that their criminally funded gravy train has dried up.

Most parents would die of shame if they raised a son like that.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/10/2024 14:05

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/10/2024 12:42

Why do we know the police officer's name? Given the threats to his life must have been anticipated could they not have kept him anonymous?

He and his family must be terrified.

As said way upthread, what do you suppose the chances were of hiding the officer's name if the family already knew it, given their access to social media?

I agree though that the CPS/courts would have done better to keep it confidential, and there are questions as to why this came to trial at all, as opposed to an enquiry
Maybe, for the sake of "community relations", the CPS considered it time to serve someone up to the mob and it just happened to be this officer's turn?

Firestace · 22/10/2024 14:06

BlueLimeRun · 22/10/2024 13:54

Did the family think none of this would come out?
Absolute lack of reflection or responsibility.

To be honest a lot of the time information like this is purposefully hidden or kept quiet, but with social media it's harder and harder to do this. I suspect they were hoping for an easy grift and some easy £££.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 14:10

Did the family think none of this would come out?

I read they attempted to get/extend a court order that would have prohibited reporting his background.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/10/2024 14:11

BlueLimeRun · 22/10/2024 13:54

Did the family think none of this would come out?
Absolute lack of reflection or responsibility.

We can't know what they thought, but it's a fact that the family tried to stop the details being released even after the trial was concluded, and that the judge refused this

I guess we can all see now why they wanted them hidden, but stupidly it hadn't occurred to me that the family may have been funded through Kaba's criminality - though if so, isn't that supposed to be an offence too?

Bulldog01 · 22/10/2024 14:13

I do not know the finer details of the court hearing, but thought that police,were meant to detain & disable a Criminal,not shoot someone point blank in the head? I have been married to a Police officer for 28 years! It's awful that this police officer felt that it was absolutely necessary to kill a unarmed young Black male!

MsJacksonIfYoureNasty · 22/10/2024 14:14

EasyTouch · 22/10/2024 13:07

There is something really wrong with the media and political force teaming of being Black with Black career criminals justifiably getting hemmed up by the police.

Also the amount of social energy expected to be expended by Black people over wrong'uns who happen to be Black whose behaviour is nullified by Institutions that so many of us claim are racist.....all in lieu of the failure of Black families putting serious effort into stopping their usually male members carrying on a whole sociopathic fool.

Ten times out of nine against other Black people, criminal or nay.
First rule of career criminality is that it's either going to be the coffin or the cell.

Second rule is the acceptance of the first rule.

I've damn near cringed up a kidney behind all the energy that BLM on both sides of the Atlantic behind mostly life long male criminals who inflicted terror upon other Black people. But nary a whisper when Black males murder, rape other Black people without a White person near or far to be blamed.

A movement demanding justice that hasn't got honour and righteousness as core tenets as opposed to narcissism and disingenuity will always be a flop.

My own younger family members gave me the criminal biography of Mr Kaba. I knew he had shot up a club the day it was reported he got shot by the police.

Black people do not need criminal adjacent Black people or racist 'White Man's Burden" liberal/ leftists trying to put a battery in our collective backs to get us worked up over Black criminals who hate Black Life more than the MET police could ever hope to.

I am tired of the usual suspect trouble makers throwing rocks and hiding hands behind fake narratives.
I could almost admire them if they did it with a wink of audacity. Grifting is a very old profession after all. But it does require the ability to lie to oneself as well to others.

These nowadays activists have not got the zeal, intellect, audacity, sense of "knowing" or humour or lack of need of the same Institutional White approval that they claim to despise that came last century.

Hence even White Granny from Outer Hebrides being able to clock their blustering ineffectiveness at first glance.
Big dutty embarassment.

Mr Kaba's family should feel shame. However, I know his criminality was coddled due to the money he gave them.

And now that well has run dry without even a mortgage signature to show for it.

And now lying about a missing Rolex as if people would not ask as to how it was acquired with a lack of evidence of consistent, legal employment combined with an abstinent nature not evident in Mr Kaba's character makeup?

These people need to sit down and find some sense and Black Pride.

Well said and I completely agree with every word.

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