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Police officer cleared

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Toomanywars · 21/10/2024 18:39

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba

Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

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latetonews · 22/10/2024 12:03

You can't have it both ways. Either you want violent thugs ruling the streets of London or you want police to do their job.

One less disgusting gang member off our streets and away from our children.

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 22/10/2024 12:05

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/10/2024 10:57

It was also in April this year that hee was served with a domestic violence protection order to keep him away from his current pregnant girlfriend

Just another violent man.

'in April 2022 he was served with a 28-day domestic violence protection order relating to the mother of his unborn child.
The order barred him from contacting her on social media or entering the street where she lived.'

https://archive.ph/Fvwvm#selection-3655.85-3659.96

ChesterDrawz · 22/10/2024 12:10

Before Martyn Blake stood trial, police said they had intelligence that there was a credible threat to his life from members of 67.
An assessment sent to the court by one senior officer read: “In nearly 30 years of service I have never been more concerned about the welfare of an officer or the risk to them and their family to come to harm as I am about the officer in this case.
He went on: “There is specific intelligence which indicates the risk to the officer’s life and that members of the 67 gang actively seek or locate him as a result of the death of Mr Kaba.

I am so desperately sad for Mr Blake and his family.

Yet another life effectively ruined by Kaba and his ilk.

Toomanywars · 22/10/2024 12:11

Bigearringsbigsmile · 22/10/2024 10:12

Not just black men going abiut their daily lives though were they?
They were gun toting, murderous criminals.
Are you saying that black men should be allowed to break the law with no consequences because they are black?

Indeed.

The DM has a story running today on the poor police officer, with a £10k bounty on his head and the gangster that was CK...

TO ALL YOU APOLOGISTS for gang members

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13986529/Chris-Kaba-gangster-verdict-Martyn-Blake.html

Chris Kaba was one of London's most feared gangsters

Martyn Blake is having to live in hiding, fearing for his life and his family after a £10,000 reward was offered to anyone prepared to kill him in revenge for the death of Chris Kaba in South London in 2022.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13986529/Chris-Kaba-gangster-verdict-Martyn-Blake.html

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OhMehGoddess · 22/10/2024 12:12

Anyone who is at any protest before full facts are known, should have fucking hard look at themselves.
There are always more to these idiots and it always comes out.
I would be also fucking ashamed if I was his family.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/10/2024 12:14

Thanks for the link, @HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott, l and yes this was the matter I was referring to

Strange, then, to see it reported that the girlfriend's so traumatised she can hardly get out of bed, but then I believe that's come from the family who've said a lot of things - not all of them necessarily true

Toomanywars · 22/10/2024 12:18

Read the accounts of hid previous which wasn't shared with the jury. He shot a man in a nightclub. By the sounds of his previous history he was a vile individual.

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Oblomov24 · 22/10/2024 12:19

Fortunately prh has put it better on another thread.

Not once have I ever claimed he was a good man, I am just questioning the fact he was shot dead :

Loveinacandle · Today 12:11

prh47bridge · Today 12:07
"I don't see anyone defending him. I do see people questioning whether the police should have shot him dead, which is very different.
As per one of my earlier posts, since 1990 nearly 1900 people have died either in police custody or as a result of contact with the police. In that time only one police officer has been convicted of murder or manslaughter in relation to these deaths. Some of the victims have been awful people. Others, such as Jean Charles de Menezes, had not done anything wrong. If we give the police a free pass on killing people because the victim was a violent criminal, more innocent people will be killed by the police.
I am not saying the police should never kill anyone. There are circumstances where it is the right thing to do. And, when forced to make a split-second decision, armed police may kill someone when, with more time to consider, it looks like the wrong decision. In those circumstances I support the police.
It is about getting the right balance. Holding police officers to account when they overstep the mark, but accepting they have a difficult job to do and making sure we don't undermine their ability to do it."

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Exactly this. If a Police office shoots you dead because they’re scared, is that okay? A criminal being chased by the police is hardly news but at what point does the police have the right to kill you. The verdict is unsurprising but I don’t think suggesting that he was a bad guy and therefore deserved it is the ‘gotcha’ that people seem to think it is

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 12:21

Now that reporting restrictions have been lifted, it's interesting to see what sort of a person he was. I think it paints a clear picture of how much of a danger he would have posed to the police officers, and I think it's even more telling that a jury found as they did without access to this background information.
Hopefully people will stop trying to paint him as some sort of martyr now.
Utter cringe that Khan is still banging on about "the pain of the community" today. I'm sure that any decent community doesn't want to be associated with violent gansters.

If a Police office shoots you dead because they’re scared, is that okay?

If they're scared that you're going to kill them then in a word yes.

Nosleepforthismum · 22/10/2024 12:22

I have zero sympathy for him or anyone who is trying to make out that this is a race issue. He was a violent gang member who I’m glad is dead. He knew the risks of getting into a confrontation with armed officers. Similar to people that go swimming in crocodile infested waters despite all the warnings. My sympathy is wholly reserved for the police officer who’s life is currently at risk from Kaba’s associates.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/10/2024 12:26

I hadn't realised that his gang were involved in drugs too, though I suppose I should have known

At least it explains where the money for the Audi came from, since they were never likely to have been in legitimate, well paid employment

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 12:27

His supporters seem like a lovely bunch as well:

“Oi, oi, piggy, piggy, we’re gonna make your lives tricky”
https://x.com/thomasgodfreyuk/status/1848451158144401787

x.com

https://x.com/thomasgodfreyuk/status/1848451158144401787

Cattery · 22/10/2024 12:34

What a dangerous job armed police officers do to keep the streets safe then they’re prosecuted for doing so. London is full of gangs with guns and knives. Intel would have provided details that this man was a likely to be armed. Live by the sword die by the sword

DdraigGoch · 22/10/2024 12:35

username35890 · 21/10/2024 18:57

He wasn't armed and from the footage no one was in imminent danger. The officer who shot him stood in front of the car and shot him in the head. I thought the police were meant to disarm people, not kill them.

He was using the cars as a battering ram and almost dragged some of the ten officers surrounding it under the wheels. There was clearly immediate threat to life and that's why lethal force was a legitimate and proportionate response.

herecomesautumn · 22/10/2024 12:39

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 12:27

His supporters seem like a lovely bunch as well:

“Oi, oi, piggy, piggy, we’re gonna make your lives tricky”
https://x.com/thomasgodfreyuk/status/1848451158144401787

Disgusting

Imagine supporting a violent gangster

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/10/2024 12:42

Why do we know the police officer's name? Given the threats to his life must have been anticipated could they not have kept him anonymous?

He and his family must be terrified.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/10/2024 12:52

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 12:27

His supporters seem like a lovely bunch as well:

“Oi, oi, piggy, piggy, we’re gonna make your lives tricky”
https://x.com/thomasgodfreyuk/status/1848451158144401787

You have to ask why this "protest" featured so prominently on the BBC & ITV news last night? They allowed the allegations of a "racist murder by the police" to be aired without sharing the relevant background information about his involvement in the shooting incident that led to him being stopped and his key role in a violent gang that's currently blighting the lives of Londoners. Never mind his history of abusing women.

bombastix · 22/10/2024 12:56

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/10/2024 12:42

Why do we know the police officer's name? Given the threats to his life must have been anticipated could they not have kept him anonymous?

He and his family must be terrified.

The officer should not have been named and whoever decided in the CPS that this prosecution was in the public interest wants to have their job reviewed.

wombat1a · 22/10/2024 12:57

Very very pleased with the verdict, very very unpleased that it stopped a brave police officer career by two years.

Sarahconnor1 · 22/10/2024 13:02

Im often critical of the police however reading the background to this now and the police officers identity should never have been made public.

The extent of Kabas criminal activity and gang association was always going to place that officer at risk.

InThePinkScarf · 22/10/2024 13:06

There are so many out there who want this to be a 'George Floyd ' moment. So pathetic.

The officer made the right call and in return had his life destroyed for two years. Then we all wonder why the police can't retain their staff. Country has gone to the dogs.

marshmallowmix · 22/10/2024 13:06

Well well well what a surprise he was dangerous...they have now revealed more details about him! unsavoury to say the least...great decision by the jury and hey knew nothing about his previous...

He had a long history of convictions including having a firearm.. was also accused of attempted murder/domestic abuse.

The officer should never have been named...he was a bad apple to put it mildly

EasyTouch · 22/10/2024 13:07

There is something really wrong with the media and political force teaming of being Black with Black career criminals justifiably getting hemmed up by the police.

Also the amount of social energy expected to be expended by Black people over wrong'uns who happen to be Black whose behaviour is nullified by Institutions that so many of us claim are racist.....all in lieu of the failure of Black families putting serious effort into stopping their usually male members carrying on a whole sociopathic fool.

Ten times out of nine against other Black people, criminal or nay.
First rule of career criminality is that it's either going to be the coffin or the cell.

Second rule is the acceptance of the first rule.

I've damn near cringed up a kidney behind all the energy that BLM on both sides of the Atlantic behind mostly life long male criminals who inflicted terror upon other Black people. But nary a whisper when Black males murder, rape other Black people without a White person near or far to be blamed.

A movement demanding justice that hasn't got honour and righteousness as core tenets as opposed to narcissism and disingenuity will always be a flop.

My own younger family members gave me the criminal biography of Mr Kaba. I knew he had shot up a club the day it was reported he got shot by the police.

Black people do not need criminal adjacent Black people or racist 'White Man's Burden" liberal/ leftists trying to put a battery in our collective backs to get us worked up over Black criminals who hate Black Life more than the MET police could ever hope to.

I am tired of the usual suspect trouble makers throwing rocks and hiding hands behind fake narratives.
I could almost admire them if they did it with a wink of audacity. Grifting is a very old profession after all. But it does require the ability to lie to oneself as well to others.

These nowadays activists have not got the zeal, intellect, audacity, sense of "knowing" or humour or lack of need of the same Institutional White approval that they claim to despise that came last century.

Hence even White Granny from Outer Hebrides being able to clock their blustering ineffectiveness at first glance.
Big dutty embarassment.

Mr Kaba's family should feel shame. However, I know his criminality was coddled due to the money he gave them.

And now that well has run dry without even a mortgage signature to show for it.

And now lying about a missing Rolex as if people would not ask as to how it was acquired with a lack of evidence of consistent, legal employment combined with an abstinent nature not evident in Mr Kaba's character makeup?

These people need to sit down and find some sense and Black Pride.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 13:08

Some of the takes on X are absolutely wild. Absolutely pushing it as a racial discrimination issue. So utterly fucking insulting, it's either grift or the racism of low expectations.

Microwarvay · 22/10/2024 13:11

TwigletsAndRadishes · 22/10/2024 11:36

It's all here:

https://news.sky.com/story/chris-kaba-was-gunman-in-nightclub-shooting-days-before-he-was-killed-13234555.

It's not painting quite the same picture as the 'aspiring architect and soon-to be father' he's been described as up to now, is it?

The police get such flak for stopping and searching young black men, apparently without just cause, but they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I know they aren't going to get it right 100% of the time and I feel for innocent black men just going about their business who are stopped and searched (as it turns out) unnecessarily. But the people I blame for that are the young black men who are involved in violent gang crime, carrying and using guns and knives on an epidemic level. Not the police, who are just trying to do an impossible and utterly thankless job in increasingly difficult circumstances.

Police officers volunteer to be trained to carry firearms. They operate in extremely stressful and volatile situations. They do not receive any extra money or benefits for this service. Who is going to want to do it in future, if this is where it gets them?

CK's family have vowed to 'fight on for justice.' Well this is justice. They've had it. Justice doesn't get much better than having your day in a British court of law with a jury, with your precious boy's violent and criminal background hidden from them. Justice doesn't guarantee you the outcome you want. Now we all know their boy was a wrong'un and a menace, you'd think they'd slink off quietly to lick their wounds in private, but oh no.

I had no idea of the stuff he'd been involved in until today. To his family I say go away and grieve quietly, stop your public wailing and hand wringing and faux indignation. We were fed the idea that this was a scared, innocent young black man, too afraid to stop his car because of police brutality and institutional racism in policing. Now we know the police were tailing him for very good reason and although he was unarmed, he carried evidence of being involved in the previous day's shooting.

Chris didn't need to end up dead but that's very much on him and his actions that day, not the fault of the officer who felt forced to pull the trigger. If Chris and people like him didn't carry and use guns then our policemen wouldn't need to either.

I truly hope not a penny more of public money is wasted on this farce, which should never have come to court.

I agree with all of that, except the last point.

It did need to come to court. If it hadn't, there would have been allegations of police corruption and cover-up probably lasting decades. All the time stoking division and distrust. And probably resulting in some sort of inquiry years down the line with a conclusion that would satisfy nobody.

As it is, justice has been done in open court by a jury who, rightly, were told nothing of Kaba's history.

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