How would you fix the NHS?

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The Government is asking for ideas on how to fix the NHS.

https://change.nhs.uk/en-GB/

What would you do to fix it?

Just saying don’t believe the media hype..no jobs.. poor pay… there are always jobs and possibilities for advancement - if you want it and are prepared to work clinically and do the shift work. .. as for no increments haha.. you are delusional… … if your qualified.. here are the pay scales for qualified nhs staff. And this is without all the other benefits. It’s about time the press told the whole truth!

@Memyaelf so nursing times are lying ? And F2s with no jobs are lying ? And GPs are lying ?

www.gponline.com/qualified-gp-driving-uber-amid-chronic-shortage-jobs/article/1865374

The nursing times is just propaganda

www.doctors.net.uk/news/27-doctors-for-each-job-why-are-there-so-few-training-posts-for-specialties-facing-staff-shortages#

@Memyaelf also propaganda ?

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nurses-shortage-job-cuts-students-nhs-labour-b2581112.html

More propaganda ?

journals.rcni.com/nursing-standard/analysis/new-registrants-struggles-to-land-jobs-in-an-era-of-nursing-shortage-ns.39.10.17.s9/abs

This propaganda is widespread

amp.theguardian.com/society/2005/nov/09/health.uknews

Yeah the sun newspaper said that to.

I assume you are currently working in the nhs and understand the issues ? Because otherwise you're making no sense. Look at some of those jobs - not really nursing at all.

And band 6

Band 7.. so that’s 30’000 jobs available right now. Shall I continue onto band 2,3,4, and 8a,b,c?

@Memyaelf you believe what you like. Again, you work in the NHS ? Nope ? So you can Google jobs but don't actually look at where and what they are.

Nurse can't find work. Believe what you want, But it's the truth. Even worse for doctors.

I will also assume that you either do not work in the nhs as a nurse then. Me. Yes.. for 33yrs actually. I know the grass roots through and through.

www.nursinginpractice.com/latest-news/flood-of-newly-registered-nurses-unable-to-find-jobs/

So many people spreading lies ! But hey, there are lots of jobs with the word nurse in them so it's actually all ok really.

Wrong. My whole career has been in the nhs. Yours obviously hadn’t been.

@Memyaelf oh so you're currently a nurse ! And yet you don't know the issues in the current recruitment freeze ? I'd have thought with 33 years experience you'd show more compassion to your younger colleagues.

I stupidly help students go into the NHS and I know many student nurses still without a job. And doctors. V sad.

And why are all these people lying ??? Seems strange that so many people are saying it's an issue. But you know best obviously.

Im a realist. With experience and knowledge of what’s going on in the nhs. I recruit nurses, I teach them, compassionately and provide them with mentorship, training and support. You clearly don’t. Stupidly as you so put it.

Correct

I think abandoning the rhetoric of NHS staff being poorly-paid angels who are beyond any repproach whatsoever would go some way to opening a sensible discussion about the NHS, to be honest.
I've just come to the end of a long stretch with my dying dad and yes, there have been some excellent nurses but there have been some dreadful ones too, who couldn't even be bothered to put my dad in his own pyjamas because it was easier to one hospital one's on the trolly and just dumped his tea beyond his reach. Both of these things take no extra time whatsoever, but there are too many apologists too eager to justify this on the basis of low-paid angels.
I could tell many more stories but paeticular mention goes to the A&E receptionist who refused to phone me when my 86-year-old dad was ready to be collected because she knew she would be too busy six hours later apparently and then didn't answer the phone because she was too busy. In desperation, I drove to collect him at 10pm. He had beenbwaiting since 4pm. An absolute disgrace.

I might add that when I posted my dad's A&E nightmare on here, I was mainly told to suck it up because the staff are overworked and underpaid, as if this justifies the receptionists attitude.
I asked then and will ask again here - does anyone know of any other job where you can refuse to serve a customer at any point throughout the day by saying you will be too busy? And as a consequence cause massive distress than elderly couple and inconvenience to his family?
That's the NHS for you.

Thats your experience of the NHS, one part of it, its not the NHS is it? as you said earlier "there many excellent nurses too"

My first AE exp was "collapsed following an accident in which i had broken hip and femur but didn't realise, taken into AE, very quickly given an ECG by a HCA, minutes later, on to a ward, where i spent a very comfortable 3 days"

Second AE exp "infected arm, suspected sepsis, seen immediately by GP, into hospital, 2hr wait in AE, 2 days on a ward where and i'll be honest here, many people just taking the piss out of staff, ringing the emergency bell to get a nurse to fetch their dressing gown, open/close blinds, fetch a cup of water... from people who could walk to the bathroom.

TBH most "nurses" on the ward are in fact HCA's and not band 5/6, so would fall into "low paid/over worked"

My DD is moving back from Australia due to family emergency, she has got a band 6 job in the local NHS, her first application.

An AE receptionist cannot be ringing around every family who asks her too, that could be dozens of phone calls per shift, we'd soon get complaints of "i was kept waiting whilst the lazy fat cow was on the phone...."

... a better solution would be a means where families can log in to a system where they can monitor their family members progress through the hospital.

Well thats not exactly how it works but if you want lower waiting lists and greater choice then the UK has to pay more tax to get more equipment/staff/hospitals.

The NHS is already relatively efficient, its had 14 years austerity, i doubt there is too much to cut.

Re logging progress - I agree. But in the absence of that, what's the solution now? Would you be happy with the treatment we and my dad received? She refused to call us, we couldn't wait with him and the calls just rang without being answered to A&E. Staff on the main switchboard were too busy to send a message. What exactly would your solution have been?

I'm glad you had two good experiences. You are basing your opinion on those. We didn't so I think we are allowed to base our experience on this.

As for your one part of the NHS - we spent four months with my dad in six separate hospitals with very brief periods at home. We did A&E (four times), general (three times), district nurses in between, respite care in hospital twice, palliative care, and nursing homes. So quite a broad base to firm opinions I think.

The A&E staff who didn't think an xray was necessary after a heavy fall and sent him home with a broken hip didn't help matters.

So do forgive me for not falling in with the all NHS staff are angels line please

My mum had a stroke, she died 6 weeks later and never came home, the care she received, overall, was v good, there were some initial issues with turning mum and bed wetting but addressed very quickly after we spoke to the ward manager, who then, on our suggestion, got mum a different bed.

We were also asked to visit at meal times so we could feed mum, this then gave them more time to feed patients without family, of course we agreed to this.

Mum was then sent to a cottage hospital for the last 4 weeks of her life, the care there was utterly fantastic and individual to her needs.

I 'm not you and didn't exp the care you did, that doesn't mean i think all staff are angels, they are human, with all that entails but what i did find was where things did go wrong, finding the right person to talk to to get things put right was possible.

So of course i wouldn't be happy at all, esp the X ray on the hip, having said that i was once sent home with a missed broken ankle over a week end, on the monday a very concerned Dr called to say "Please please don't walk on your foot or you may need an operation... we missed the fracture, you need to come straight back in" this would have been 1995 or 96 i think.

shit happens, i guess i'm more understanding that people make mistakes or simply don't do what they should have done.

the problem with healthcare staff is that if most people have a bad day at the office or are even poor at our jobs, it simply doesn't have the impact that a poor HCP has on our lives.