Kylian Mbappe accused of rape - AIBU to be a bit shocked

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Mbappe has been accused of raping a woman in a hotel in Sweden.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2024/oct/15/kylian-mbappe-reacts-in-fury-at-swedish-reports-of-claim

In Sweden they are confirming it is definitely him and they've reported on it because they feel it's in the public interest. The woman went to get medical attention and reported the incident straight after. AIBU to be a bit shocked if true? I know everyone will say what do you expect and don't look up to footballers etc, but I'm a woman who enjoys watching football and it's so disheartening how many footballers end up assaulting women. I thought Mbappe was maybe one of the good ones. Hope it's not true, but if it is, that there will be justice for the victim. Apparently Sweden has some of the best laws regarding rape on the planet, so that is encouraging at least.

It was very odd! There was a bit of drama with him not joining the national team because of an apparent injury, despite him being fine for club football, and then he randomly went to Stockholm?

The timing with his own trial against PSG is such that there's a lot of speculation on whether he's being set up by Nasser, who is notably bat shit and owes him 55 million euros. But that seems...how would Nasser know he was going to Sweden randomly and then also set some kind of elaborate scheme, that seems ridiculous even for Nasser.

A man denies committing rape when accused and we all assume he's telling the truth? Since when?

Oh, I definitely don't believe him. I am pretty sure there is truth to this. Sweden is not the kind of country where you can falsely accuse someone, get away with it, and receive lots of money. I don't see what would be in it for the woman.

If men don't want to be accused of rape then maybe they should stop doing shit that could be construed as rapey? If a man has sex with a woman and the acts that took place were so close to crossing the line that the women has to ask herself afterwards "was that rape?" then he is a piece of shit who does not respect women and has no business having sex with them, he is also chancing that one day a woman is going to answer that question with "yes" and is going to report him to the police.

If a man doesn't want to be accused of rape or sexual assault then he needs to be aware of a woman's boundaries, respect those boundaries, and he needs to always obtain enthusiastic consent. Instead we have too many men knocking around who think a woman... sorry, female ... is nothing but a collection of holes put there for his pleasure, who think "no" is a starting point for negotiations rather than the final word, and who act like the victim when they face consequences for being a sexual predator.

Unfortunately rapists don’t come with a flashing sign so that you can avoid them. It may be shocking that a player you liked has been accused, many professionally successful men have been proved to be evil irl. eg didn’t Ronaldo pay off an American woman who made rape allegations ?

I don’t have a hatred of females nor am I dehumanising women, I am simply speaking of this case and not all cases, hence me saying female and not females!!

As a female and a rape survivor I don’t agree that females crying rape is rare, it’s simply not statically reported.

Speaking of this case only, as I said innocent until proven guilty.

I absolutely hate this phrase

On what basis do you 'not agree' with fairly statistically reliable evidence?

Woman = adult, female human being.

Female = female animal or plant.

Dictionary definitions for you. Using female instead of woman dehumanises women.

Yes…but if one woman in a million makes a false accusation it has still happened on occasion! I’m not disputing the rareness of it! Simply saying it has happened…

I assume when you hear of a woman falsely reporting a rape you also comment saying ‘women are sometimes actually raped by men though’.

Well, I thought that would go without saying.

Sweden has quite comprehensive rape laws which classify acts that would be defined as sexual assault or indeed merely distasteful in the UK as rape.

A example of this is stealthing - where a man removes a condom without consent during consensual sex. This would be classified as rape in Sweden.

Similarly, if one partner was drunk and therefore consent could not be confirmed, even if the perpetrator's intention was not to commit rape, this would be classified as 'negligent rape' in Sweden.

Needless to say, I would be very supportive of my daughter going to Lund University!

Re Mbappe - he does a lot for charity but that does not preclude him from inappropriate behaviour. Let us let the legal process follow its course

My own personal experience, personally and professionally, is why I don’t agree that it’s rare.

Crying rape does happen and in most cases nothing happens to the accuser even when there is clear evidence that the accuser has lied and the accused was innocent.

I’m out of this discussion, I ave no more to say on this OP or the topic of rape.

Don't you think that saying a woman might have cried rape or a man might have raped implies they're equally likely? Or even that saying a woman might have 'cried rape' first implies that is the more likely explanation?When in fact one is extremely common and one extremely rare?

It's like saying oh my 96 year old neighbour died, he might have been hit by lightning or he might have died of old age. One is vastly more likely than the other.

Did they lie, or was there just not enough evidence to bring about a prosecution?

Men rape women. Females cry rape. What kind of female? Cat, beetle, horse, human? If human, then say human it wouldn't kill you. If you had said something along the lines of "or a woman has made false allegations" I think I would be more inclined to believe you were looking at this from a non-biased viewpoint.
Gosh darned females.

I know it’s irrational because I don’t know the guy but I’m shocked because he always comes across as ok. As a football fan who has lived in France for 20 years, I really, really don’t want to believe it but at the same time I really, really want the woman to get justice, whatever the outcome of that would be.

I do think the most important thing right now is that it should be a trial via the courts, not the media or social media.

Exactly, it is the same for me as well. I feel often the immediate response is that it is my fault for idolising an athlete bla bla, but I think that's nonsense. I don't idolise him, but I enjoy watching him play and it's a bit shocking when that person then gets accused of rape. Especially when as far as I'm aware Mbappe had a pretty clean image previously, and I liked that he publicly came out to encourage young French voters to vote in the election, which was contentious.

Yep, I with you, OP. Of course I want justice, and of course we always hear 'but he seemed so nice' about all sorts of men doing all sorts of awful things..,

But I am also surprised/disappointed etc. As he DID seem like a good, aware man who did talk a lot about social justice issues.

I completely empathise OP. Though I’m completely aware about violence from
men towards women, but with some celebrities you build up a picture in your mind of who you think they are. It’s always really disappointing when we find out some are very different to how they appear.

Sky news are saying that a rape accusation has been made, but the authorities in Sweden have not named the suspect.

That's a frightening image.

No, im not surprised that yet another footballer is accused of rape.

This was my first thought when I read your post too OP