Labour are going to crash the economy/jobs market.

[Batmanisaplaceinturkey]

Just a few of the changes
-Making it harder to dismiss a bad hire.
-SSP a percentage of earnings, available from day one of sickness.

And now plans to raise employers NI.

All very well if the employer is Amazon or Google but not so much the independent coffee shop down the road, the plumbers merchant, the cobblers, the florist etc. More expenses and red tape for them but who cares eh. Even if they do survive their costs will have to rise.

Labours plans will have unintended consequences.

Am I supposed to care? Think it says anything about anything important? What?
Why the fascination?

Anything critical of the current government is not a bot! I despise the Tories and Brexit!

The Guardian seems to care;

No 10 refuses to say if Keir Starmer met Taylor Swift at London concert

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/15/no-10-refuses-to-say-if-keir-starmer-met-taylor-swift-at-london-concert

Why does it matte4 though? What’s the relevance?
I genuinely don’t get it, whoever is reporting it.

All a bit confusing though as the Telegraph has published a photo taken at the concert on June 21 but the caption says August 20;

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/starmer-met-with-taylor-swift/

Two government sources have told the BBC that senior members of Starmer’s team had contact with the singer’s management over her security arrangements.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg9e0ydjxpo

There isn't anything stopping a business from performance managing employees and subsequently managing them out. Nor is there anything stopping them implementing an absence policy.

What it means is that workers have the same entitlement to employment rights as their colleagues who have worked there for 2 years or more. And those colleagues are not immune to dismissal either.

Yes. All pretty normal. There was a terrorist threat just before in Vienna if you remember.
Now, about the investment figures…

@Batmanisaplaceinturkey

I worry it will put people off employing young women.

Why would it?

@SunriseMonsters what's the public sector ponies scheme pleaser

Not that normal;

The prime minister was given 10 tickets in total over three concerts

I think what you are failing to understand that in small businesses you cannot dedicate time to performance managing single employees as you will lose money. In building, if you employ a carpenter who says he can do XY&Z and backs it up with photos and videos from previous work but then when he gets to site he’s making lots of mistakes that he shouldn’t be doing. Some of these mistakes are costly to the business owner. He cuts an expensive door too short. He doesn’t have to pay, the client doesn’t have to pay, the business owner does. This happens a number of times over a few weeks. Jobs are no longer profitable due to the new employees incompetence.

Instead of being able to sack him immediately after 4 weeks, we will now have to have an informal chat progressing gradually to a written warning, offer training and support (taking away another carpenter from doing their job) and give chance after chance whilst all the time having to be mindful of their mental health. The business owner is fielding calls from unhappy clients as the work isn’t being done correctly and not to the timeframe so affecting the businesses reputation. Meanwhile the other staff who take pride in their work are unhappy at having to work with the new employee who doesn’t do the job properly. Clients withhold payment until mistakes are rectified, affecting cash flow in the business, meaning suppliers have to wait to be paid and the business owner may even have to loan the business money from their personal account. You get the gist.

It’s completely different to supporting a long standing employee going through some personal issues that are temporarily affecting their performance. They absolutely should have the rights that are currently in place.

After 2 years you would know if someone is a piss taker though, and got rid beforehand. I think 2 years is too long to acquire rights. About 6 months is about right, long enough to suss out the bad eggs but not too long for the good eggs to wait to get some security

Why do you care?
Do you really think they were in return for protection?
Donyou really thin’ the protection was unwarranted given what happened in Vienna?
Is it more important than investment, or workers’ rights?
Honestly @Clavinova, you usually make sense even if we disagree, but this is nuts - it just seems desperate. Criticising non issues for the sake of it.

6 months goes by in a flash. No way long enough to give someone a chance.

cardibach
Criticising non issues for the sake of it

I wonder if Swiftie Starmer will feature on BBC News at Ten?

Is it more important than investment, or workers’ rights?

I knew Brexit Britain would be a success already . Although a bit daft not to invite Elon Musk - more embarrassing comms mistakes from Number 10:

Business secretary refuses to say why Elon Musk not invited to key investment summit.
https://news.sky.com/video/business-secretary-refuses-to-say-why-elon-musk-not-invited-to-key-investment-summit-13232808

We still love you Elon Musk, says UK government
https://www.politico.eu/article/we-still-love-you-elon-musk-uk-government-peter-kyle/

On workers' rights much is still going to consultation isn't it?

I'm so tired of the Tory HQ propaganda machine. It's the same old thread format, over and over and over again.

The Tories spectacularly mismanaged the economy to the point that we are all very much living with the effects of it, and they massively increased national debt. Immigration went through the roof and inflation went nuts. God forbid we give literally anyone else the slightest chance to fix things without the Tories' constant oppressive fake predictions and doommongering.

Very little of that makes any sense.
I don’t care about any Swiftie stuff. T(e news shouldnt either. It’s nonsense.
Musk didn’t fit the bill for the event. That’s been explained. It’s nonsense.
Yes, laws have to go through a process. That’s not news. Labour has a huge majority. It’s nonsense.

Sure, yes, just like that.

Just because Tories were bad, doesn't mean Labour is good. They are both bad.

This Labour government are incompetent. Chancellor who can't or won't listen to anyone. Disaster imminent.

We have to stop talking about 14 years of shit from Tories. It can't achieve anything. We need to move forwards. And these people in office will not achieve this for us, sadly.

Prior to the 14 years, it was far from utopia. I had my kids under the last labour govt. It was utterly terrifying - over full hospital, total neglect. My teacher sibling was badly assaulted in school under the last labour govt and left to work in the private sector.

I accept the tories literally ate themselves. Well, Rishi ousted Boris, caused Truss and then spouted utter shite about national service in the run up to the election.

There are too many workers with extremely unfair terms and conditions in contrast to others who have excellent Ts and Cs with optimum protection. Those with the former tend to be in lower paid jobs and can v
be subject to exploitation. Employees need to be entitled to sick pay irrespective of their length of service. What happens if you break your leg/need an emergency operation ( as examples) after being in the job only afew days. If u don't get paid, what about your rent/mortgage and living expenses? Those people need to receive the same protection as employees in corporate/public services.

TBH I don't think we want to know it!

I do. It’ll finally shut up all the stupid rumours.

Very little of that makes any sense

You clearly understood my post nevertheless.

Musk didn’t fit the bill for the event. That’s been explained. It’s nonsense.

The explanation from Jonathan Reynolds in my Sky link didn't make much sense - at least the interviewer didn't think so.

Yes, laws have to go through a process. That’s not news.

I disagree;

Labour's new deal for workers: A fight postponed?

when the applause dies down, behind closed doors many arguments will continue over many months.
And it’s unclear who will triumph when long periods of consultation close.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c153dzy1kj4o

Well let’s wait and see then shall we?