Labour are going to crash the economy/jobs market.

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Just a few of the changes
-Making it harder to dismiss a bad hire.
-SSP a percentage of earnings, available from day one of sickness.

And now plans to raise employers NI.

All very well if the employer is Amazon or Google but not so much the independent coffee shop down the road, the plumbers merchant, the cobblers, the florist etc. More expenses and red tape for them but who cares eh. Even if they do survive their costs will have to rise.

Labours plans will have unintended consequences.

Fair point...but any attempt at regulating those bunch of Tory gangsters in international finance meets with constant wingeing from the Daily Mail and Daily Express.

Labour can’t rely on the media baddies for everything like this, we do actually have greater regulation to try and avoid the same thing happening, so it’s no great excuse.

Blair just enjoyed the high too much before the crash to regulate earlier.

PFI got loads of criticism, which is why it got dumped, eventually, although we’re still paying billions.

They don't seem to be doing themselves any favours thats for sure. It has been a bit of a shit show so far.

The only way to protect yourself as an employer is to pay the person off. Its too easy to be a CF and go crying to an employment tribunal because your employer actually asked you to do some work but you thought that was unreasonable.
There was a case reported over the weekend about a woman who took her employer to a tribunal because she didn't get a leaving card.
Another one reported was about police officer off sick but running her own party business. She won because the police did not follow the procedure properly in revoking permission for other work. There are countless examples of CF winning on a technicality.
How are small businesses supposed to run a business and be HR experts at the same time?

The leaving card woman got laughed out of the tribunal, if I remember the reports correctly. All forty claims dismissed. The issue of vexatious claimants isn't going to either go away or be made significantly worse by a change in employment rights.

Small businesses don't need to be experts in everything. There are plenty of good advisers out there. If you're in FSB/Chamber/etc. your membership gets you a lot of professional advice included (which members nearly always forget about).

This, currently have three job hunters in my family. The job market just seems flat at the moment (we are in the south east)

I don't understand employers who say that it will be harder to get rid of employees who perform poorly. That really is not the case. You are still able to dismiss someone based on poor performance and probation periods remain.

Tbh, judging by some of the people I work with (public sector) who are beyond crap, yes, it is impossible to sack people who are rubbish. They just get managed moved into a different role - usually on promotion 😂

My friend who works at a B5 is having a similar issue - complete bloody incompetence yet they can't sack them because, apparently, being shit isn't a good enough reason to sack someone.

What policies apart from the badly thought out but essentially sensible means testing of WFA ?

NHS here. Disagree. We’ve got rid of numerous poorly performing staff. Some weren’t suited to our area and were moved to less challenging depts, others were struggling mentally and refused help on numerous occasions. They were sacked.

All Government plans (of any party) have unintended consequences.

Still whatever happens, it can't be as bad as Liz Truss.

Yup. A policy started by John Major. Not much criticism of him though. As to be expected .

Has it?
Apart from thinking the threshold for WFA is too low I think it’s been ok. Bu5 then I don’t get worked up about manufactured non stories about glasses and Taylor Swift.

Both parties have dumped it and the pp didn’t talk about Blair expanding it.

Neither did you. As to be expected.

Why to be expected ? I doubt John major was pilloried like Blair was. Not sure if you lived here then but the state of schools, hospitals and prisons was dire back in the day. Labour had to do something.

Under Labour PM Ted Heath - the 1973 the 3 day working week caused by a lack of energy with dwindling reserves of fuel exacerbated by the Minor’s strike of 1972.

Ted Heath wasn’t Labour

Currently short hours employees are preferred by many small businesses because they don't pay employers NI.

What are the possible consequences of making all employees need NI paying?

1. Employers turn to fewer staff to make their employment tidier?
2. Employers keep wanting short hours staff because it gives them flexibility even though there's a bigger cost?

Then throw in the possible end of zero hours and you're looking at hard options for small business.

Labour is the party of the unions at the moment. If they show they can be party of the workers then they will find that they can't also be the party of business.

YABU

The unions are the workers.
Employers can’t exist without workers.

All the ideology falls apart when the man on the street is running a small business though.

Where’s the ideology in what I wrote?

Another point I didn't mention earlier, more and more jobs are being lost to AI. Making it harder for employers to employ staff will only accelerate this.

FFS - how many tory interns/bots/bs merchants are going to post on here. Like the tories did such a good job with our economy - seems like they fucked up pretty badly to me.

Breaking News on Sky!

https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-met-taylor-swift-at-concert-after-getting-free-tickets-13234148

Or people could just be pissed off and despondent about the terrible start Labour have had…

I can remember the 'Winter of Discontent'. Half the country was on strike for one thing or another.

So, did Starmer see Taylor Swift twice? It was reported that his wife did - in June and August;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/starmer-lady-victoria-keir-wife-taylor-swift-labour-donation-b2614735.html