AIBU to think the jabs won't help the economy?

[EuclidianGeometryFan]

To add to the debate on weight loss jabs and the economy, try this thought experiment:
Suppose everyone who is overweight gets the jabs, for as long as they want, and they all get slim and lose their appetites.
The NHS saves a fortune.
But the supermarkets lose a fortune, and the take-away shops and fast-food restaurants, and the pubs and corner-shops selling late-night drinks and chocolate, and the delivery drivers rushing pizzas to our doors.

Any big supermarket has whole aisles dedicated to crisps, fizzy drinks, sweets, cakes, ready-made fat-laden food. It probably takes up about 3/4 of the floor space. Will no-one buy all this?

Surely the loss to the economy in the food industry will be greater than the savings to the NHS?

Or is the thinking that we will still buy as much crap food, then get it home and half way through eating it think 'I don't fancy this now' and bin it?
Will we just be adding massively to the food waste issue?

I get that the government is trying to address a huge issue, but they need to consider all aspects, and accept that the right solutions for society won't necessarily boost the economy.

But think what it'll do for the manufacturers' profits, OP, and the possibility of all those lovely backhanders and research grants

As ever with this sort of "initiative" it's follow the money

So why are we discussing whether help should be provided to driving related, alcohol related, sports related incidents????

why are posters providing that as arguments?

I don’t care if you want to inject yourself with a weight loss drug… just pay for it yourself. It’s not the same as having a car accident.

@DamnitImTired we went down the route of accidents, sports related injuries etc because you said you had no time for those with self-inflicted issues. You took us down that route!

Interesting take!
Perhaps the fast food will get even cheaper and all the thin people will start eating it so they can get magic drugs that cut out the need for self regulation?

What will all the unemployed doctors and nurses do when the population is so healthy and there is no more T2 Diabetes?

Is that to go with the savings they are making by making women undergo painful hysteroscopies without a GA?

No time for those who inflict pain and cost on themselves through choices in which know better.

equally no time for a drunk driver who injures a driver who is not drinking.

you know exactly what I mean.

It doesn't need to be finance-wise, itwasnevermine; as already mentioned the pharma companies stand to make so much that they can well afford to do it themselves

Though actually it might be better if the trial was run by a body with even the slightest pretence of impartiality, given the obvious vested interests involved here

Let’s just help everyone and take away all personal responsibility for making better life choices.
even better let’s just invent medication and jabs for all of humanities vices and surrender all self control and accountability to the corporations
even better let’s just plug ourselves into a new system where we have no control over our outcome because there will be some manufactured remedy to ensure we are all the same in spite of our choices. Sounds wonderful.

Gosh you really are bitter and upset by something that doesn't affect you in the slightest!

Which personal responsibility is this. The same personal responsibility we wernt allowed during the lockdowns

@Puzzledandpissedoff drug companies will often lead their own tests... there's no need to change it now? These jabs have been used for decades for diabetics.

@itwasnevermine

not bitter just absolutely gobsmacked that the latest weight loss craze actually has people supporting mass availability to lower income people obese people on the argument that it supports the economy!

what bull

That sentence is barely coherent.

It, of course, stands to reason that these jabs may benefit those who are unable to work due to obesity related illnesses. Does it mean they'll all take them and suddenly wake up at 10 stone, fighting fit and able to work? Of course not.

But if it helps, it helps.

There you go: wagging your censorious finger at me again. We really must stop meeting like this......

@JenniferBooth exactly it sounds like people have given in to the idea that everything that happens to them is as a result of someone else. What you put in your mouth to nourish you and your level of activity is completely within your control!
have you surrendered yourself as a slave to some sort of mass idea that some corporation is going to provide the solution to your weight problem in the same way that some other corporation has been tempting you with fatty and greasy foods to make you fat?

Could you point out where in the research documentation it states it will be "dished out without the slightest concern for long term damage"?

Where have the government said they will be using these drugs to boost the economy?

@DamnitImTired but there is no suggestion of mass availability at the moment. The trial is limited and industry funded.

There are plenty of corporations providing mass solutions for contraception, why are you not bothered by that?

I'm on it. Funded by the NHS. Knowing nothing about me, are you suggesting I should not be having this provided by the NHS?

You are showing how utterly ignorant you are to Clinical Trials. To research Trials.

Actually, you're just showing how ignorant you are full stop.

I would have thougth that most junk food producers will also have diversified to produce healthy food by now as anyone could see what was going to happen.

If they haven't then they don't deserve to be in business.

What i meant was we wernt trusted to excersise personal responsibility during Covid We were locked down instead and loads on here were all for it. The hypocrisy is stark

Yes, itwasnevermine, and time and time again they've been found to have lied, falsified data, withheld safety reports, bribed medics and much more

To give one example among too many, Avandia - another diabetes drug - was also marketed for years on the back of assurances from it's manufacturer, but they still got stung for $3billion when the illegal practices were uncovered: www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-18673220

My understanding is the government are only offering the jab to unemployed people, do you assume unemployed people have an unlimited supply of cash to spend on junk food ? Because no they don’t.

There will be so much more people in employment buying this junk food on the regular. Most people on benefits with any common sense learn to budget their money and buy more sustainable foods.

It’s basically another bs gimmick by the government to sling muck on unemployed people. They really should be laying serious foundations in helping people of all ages (not just working age) with poor mental health. Over/under eating is a symptom of poor mental health so if they treated ‘mental health’ as a whole and holistically they would be able to help people so much more.

Does it completely evade you how ridiculous it sounds to be offering this jab unemployed people even as part of a trial. The suggestion therefore would be that they are unemployed because they are obese. Am I understanding that and you all correctly?