Risking a flaming but jealous of those on weight loss injections

[Notmyfinesthours]

I’ve specifically not put this in the weight loss section as I’d rather hear from those who aren’t dieting or thinking about it. Might help me find perspective better.

I am not overweight. I never have been.
I have however had what feels like a lifetime of making sure this is the case.

I suspect many women feel like me. Brought up to fear being fat or greedy or ‘let myself go’ as if it were the worst sin.

Ive skirted close to or actually been in the midst of orthorexia for most of my adult life. Always saying no to pudding, finding the latest food that will fill me up but not have too many calories and fixating on it before I find the next one. Exercising most days, fitting it in by missing lie ins or nights in front of the fire.

Fretting in pregnancy, menopause and any ill health leading to immobility that it might trigger weight gain.

you get the picture? Self flagellation is big driven by an instilled fear of being fat given to many in my generation (I’m 58) (and yes I know I should address this first- I am trying but the media doesn’t help)

Several of my friends and family are big eaters, always seem to have the toastie and cake when we are out and by their own admissions do little exercise. They have often jokingly talked about being slimmer but say they like food too much and ‘have no willpower’ and can’t be bothered to deny themselves for the sake of a few dress sizes.

I know it’s more complex than that but they basically enjoy life in the way it should be enjoyed to my mind and accept they will be a bit larger bodied. I’ve actually always really admired this as an attitude or at least been a bit jealous of it.

But with the new weight loss injections several of them have dropped weight significantly and are so slim and delighted.

I just feel so cheated. Like I’ve been so careful for so long and they haven’t but they get to be slim just with an injection.

I know it’s more complicated, I know it costs them money, might have risks etc but it’s clear so many celebs are doing the same and it feels like it’s not going to be more commonplace.

Why is this making me feel cheated and am I just an awful person?

I’m trying to think if I’m jealous 🤔

I am a little overweight and try very hard to eat minimally. I look at some celebrities who have dropped a lot of weight quickly and they really do look old. So I’m certainly not jealous of them. I’m possibly jealous of the ones taking a low amount and dropping a stone as I’d have to REALLY limit my food to do that and I just don’t have the willpower.

I am taking Mounjaro at the moment. I’ve put on 5 stone since my partner got ill with pancreatic cancer and died. Watching him die slowly over 2 years was intense. I’d dieted all my life up to that point at kept at a healthy weight through restriction and exercise. I just couldn’t do it anymore. I’m perimenopausal and comfort eat to cope with my grief. Mounjaro has had awful side effects for me, the gastrointestinal problems are miserable, so I’m only staying on it for a couple more months. I’ve already lost 18lbs in five weeks-bearing in mind I can’t eat at all for two days after taking it, and I have to take it on a Friday otherwise I’d be unable to work. I can understand people who’ve had gastric sleeve surgeries being pissed off, but I’ve had 35 years of battling weight gain.

I suppose not but they wouldn’t know what’s going on it a lot of our heads. I’m sure people would look at me and think, “she has amazing will power, it must be great to be like that.” But it’s not, it’s horrible. I suppose the jealousy is that there’s medication to turn off thoughts of overeating but not of anorexic thoughts.

If it has been privately prescribed by a prescribing pharmacist. A pharmacist does not have access to your medical records.

But hey, I have actual real life experience of being prescribed monjouro, and pharmacy experience. But what do I know.

Don't be jealous of people injecting themselves with a cancer-causing drug. They are ignoring the side effects on the packaging - kidney damage, cancer, and who else knows what.

You know what they say, if it sounds too good to be true...

As someone on Mounjaro, this is not really what I’ve taken from the OP, and certainly not from the further replies.

As someone who has had an eating disorder for many years, I get it. I don't really care about other people using it per se but I am jealous that no reputable provider would give it to me. My life is consumed by food (or by the lack of it). And yes, I'm in therapy and take my medication but I'm still jealous. And, frankly, I'll never be thin enough for myself so anything that would restrict my eating further is very appealing.

But I totally accept that this is fucked up thinkjng that is a result of my eating disorder.

I said, possibly there is ring fencing for private vs NHS. But even those seeing say, a private endocrinologist, the pharmacist only knows it has been prescribed, not WHY it has been prescribed. They can guess.

There is no evidence of it causing cancer in humans.

I have had similar thoughts to you OP and recognise how horrible/mean spirited they are so this thread is really helpful.
I think reading through maybe the issue is a lack of acknowledgement how much goes in to being slim/not overweight- some people assuming slim people just do get full easier /are “lucky”.(I’m sure not all assume this).

When actually to be a size 10 at 40 I am ALWAYS hungry, only “allow” 2 meals a day
, have had diets at the front and centre of my brain since a teen, went through bulimia yada yada.
It’s all a load of bollocks and stupid for us to think the other side has it easier or is “cheating” - that’s why I think this thread is good.

It doesn't cause cancer, stop spreading ignorant misinformation. Neither does it cause kidney damage. Honestly people are so confident about spouting absolute utter shite.

@MrsDeWinter you seem very aware of your condition and are brave to share it here. But please, reach out for some professional help. My, I suspect, similarly aged relative could have written your post. She never looked 'dangerously' thin, but she's dead now from complications relating directly to her limited intake over years.

Is that just for the fat people or are diabetics all going to get cancer and die too? Just wondering.

Everything in life is a risk
Walking out of your front door is a risk ,getting your car is a risk , getting on a plane is a risk
Some cars crash ,but not all ,some planes crash ,but not all . people still drive and fly
Because they weigh up the risk for themselves.
Taking any kind of medication is a risk , because different bodies react differently to different drugs .
Being obese is a risk of various cancers and all kinds of problems,but sometimes things get so bad ,the risk of taking a drug that will help , outweighs the risks of staying obese.

Sorry but this is an example of what someone on the “ what I ate today “ injection thread wrote….This is 1 poster who is ON weight loss jabs!
“ B - seeded protein bagel with cottage cheese and a fromage frais.
L - dairylea dunker, packet of crisps
D - pot noodle (couldn't be bothered cooking for 1... oops)
Snacks - a bite of a slice of pizza from the kids tea, 2 finger kitkat.
drank 4 pints of water and 1 x pepsi max. going to have another pint of water now before hitting the hay”
some people are ALWAYS going to have disordered eating whatever the tool they are using to lose weight. I would never wish an eating disorder on anybody and there are many on the injection threads that have probably gone through many years of unhappiness. OP@Notmyfinesthours as soon as you realise that food for many people is a coping strategy and that you ultimately have to find a way to be happy with yourself ,starting by not comparing yourself to others, you may become happier in yourself. Comparison is the thief of joy in life!

To me it doesn't sound at all like you're jealous of the fact that they're taking the drug or 'taking the easy option' it sounds like you're jealous of the fact that they've been able to relax and enjoy themselves around food and you haven't. I think that's a totally normal way to feel and perhaps you should listen to it- maybe now is the time to start addressing your food issues?

@Notmyfinesthours

YANBU to be jealous - but it's a bit ludicrous to be jealous IMO. I would never - in a million years - pump crap into my body to try to lose weight. Let alone be jealous of people who do it!

Each to their own.

Why on earth are you jealous if you're not overweight? Odd!

So if you became diabetic
You wouldn't use the injections
Because...that's pumping crap in to your body .....ok

I really wish it was an easy fix. Im on MJ, im still having to be strict with calories. I have an allergy to all artificial sweetners, which are in alot of low cal/fat free foods. I work 13 hour shifts so dont have time to cook from scratch. I work alot of nights where sugar literally keeps me functioning as i dont get breaks. My days off im so exhausted but still having to muster up the energy without sugar to fuel me to exercise. Its not a jab yourself and the wright drops off, you still have to work at it, and its pretty miserable tbh.

I totally understand OP’s feeling.
Isn’t this similar to cab drivers fighting Uber because they had to pay for their licence? Or people who study for a qualification that is needed for a role/pay grade and suddenly the requirement is lifted.
BUT
And at the same time I agree that « I suffered so the others should as well » is not a valid argument.
IF it is proven that there are no long term health consequences to these meds maybe it will become widespread and we will all end up seeing these as a good thing for mankind: we can now eat without worrying about excess fat storage. Same as we can have sex with strangers and not fear STD thanks to condoms.

@Notmyfinesthours the one thing I massively applaud you for is putting the term othorexia out there. I have always had issues with people who have a dig at bigger people, no control, who clasp their pearls at those with anorexia or bulimia, OCD, whilst clearly dressing up ‘being healthy, over training in the gym, eating healthy, basically depriving themselves. I worked with a couple of women like this for a year or so and it was never ending - discussing the last gym session, the next gym session, the fact they were allowing themselves a ‘cheat day’ when they were going out for a family meal. Not wading into the injection discussion but I do salute you using the orthorexia term.

Can you point me in the direction of the evidence showing that it causes cancer in humans?
Do you know a condition that causes cancer? Obesity.
Incidentally, medical professionals are extremely excited about these medications and the positive benefits they will have on people’s health, not just in terms of weight loss.

That's not how the jabs work at all though? They don't mean you can eat what you want and never gain weight.

No I would take the injections as dieting for me is mental torture. The restricting causes unbelievable cravings and food obsession. I end up watching shows like 600 pound lives or Supersize vs Super skinny. And almost enjoy the obese people bingeing.

I am almost at my goal weight but the last 4 months have been hell.

I have gained weight because extensive psychopharmacology. I am not going to injectables because I am afraid of short and long term side effects. Also I have watching several Facebook weight loss boards and especially middle aged women who have lost loads of weight look so much older.