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First 100 days

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 12/10/2024 10:08

whoever you voted for, what are your thoughts after the First 100 Days?
I didn’t vote for Labour, but I was quite excited in their first few weeks as Keir got his head down and I was excited fir change.

Now I just feel deflated. Same old….freebiegate, nitpicking, infighting. A bit depressing really.

i don’t even think there was a decent alternative really….and that’s even more depressing!!!!!

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penelopelady · 20/10/2024 14:16

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 12/10/2024 10:08

whoever you voted for, what are your thoughts after the First 100 Days?
I didn’t vote for Labour, but I was quite excited in their first few weeks as Keir got his head down and I was excited fir change.

Now I just feel deflated. Same old….freebiegate, nitpicking, infighting. A bit depressing really.

i don’t even think there was a decent alternative really….and that’s even more depressing!!!!!

I know it's so tame compared to truss and Johnson.

EasternStandard · 20/10/2024 14:28

pointythings · 20/10/2024 14:05

There are also many left-wingers who say we don’t have a proper Labour Party anymore!

Well, we don't. As someone who is only moderately left leaning I think this is a good thing. Whereas the current iteration of the Tories, who bear no resemblance at all to the John Major generation, are a bad thing.

Government debt is a complex thing. But it doesn't help to talk about it as if it is the same as household debt, which many on the right like to do.

You ignore government and civil service competence, and political ideology. Both of which are open to debate.

They are indeed. Were you saying anything about the competence and political ideology of the last government?

Government debt is a complex thing. But it doesn't help to talk about it as if it is the same as household debt, which many on the right like to do.

I see this household line requested so often, surely by now people are realising the cost of debt servicing, the warnings from IMF to not go above 109% GDP and what’s happening to Italy and France

Debt servicing costs the tax payer more than defence. Why do people use the household line still?

EasternStandard · 20/10/2024 14:31

pointythings · 20/10/2024 12:30

That really depends on your point of view, doesn't it? I'd count four out of those five as positives (with WFA needing modification) and the fifth as seriously overblown by the press but actually nowhere near as bad as the previous government.

Where do you stand on the review of the Carers Allowance scandal, the implementation of buffer zones for abortion clinics and the abolition of one word judgements for OFSTED?

You haven’t answered why increased risk and deaths via the channel is a positive?

Rockalittle78 · 20/10/2024 14:34

pointythings · 20/10/2024 14:05

There are also many left-wingers who say we don’t have a proper Labour Party anymore!

Well, we don't. As someone who is only moderately left leaning I think this is a good thing. Whereas the current iteration of the Tories, who bear no resemblance at all to the John Major generation, are a bad thing.

Government debt is a complex thing. But it doesn't help to talk about it as if it is the same as household debt, which many on the right like to do.

You ignore government and civil service competence, and political ideology. Both of which are open to debate.

They are indeed. Were you saying anything about the competence and political ideology of the last government?

Hang on, Labour are in power now - and they have crystallised the extent of the Tories administration via the alleged black hole at 22bn (or is it 40 bn…?)

You can play a bad hand badly - which is what Labour appear hell-bent on doing.

The bond and currency markets will judge them on the 30th, which is doubtless why they have been u-turning on some draft policy (that, and not raising anything like the forecast revenue/unintend consequences). Of course, they are also buying off the unions in an attempt to buy their silence.

pointythings · 20/10/2024 14:35

EasternStandard · 20/10/2024 14:31

You haven’t answered why increased risk and deaths via the channel is a positive?

You seem to think that increased risk and death is a set in stone inevitable consequence of scrapping the Rwanda plan when the numbers planned for deportation in the plan was in the low hundreds and would have done nothing to deter migration via small boat. Again, I'm taking a wait and see approach instead of judging a government after 5 minutes. We have a fundamental difference in approach here which we will not overcome. You're determined to see everything this government does as bad - fine, that is your prerogative. I'm suspending judgement until they have had some actual time.

pointythings · 20/10/2024 14:36

Rockalittle78 · 20/10/2024 14:34

Hang on, Labour are in power now - and they have crystallised the extent of the Tories administration via the alleged black hole at 22bn (or is it 40 bn…?)

You can play a bad hand badly - which is what Labour appear hell-bent on doing.

The bond and currency markets will judge them on the 30th, which is doubtless why they have been u-turning on some draft policy (that, and not raising anything like the forecast revenue/unintend consequences). Of course, they are also buying off the unions in an attempt to buy their silence.

That isn't an answer to the question I asked, though. I asked whether you were commenting negatively on the previous government's manifest lack of competence and equally manifest ideological drivers.

Rockalittle78 · 20/10/2024 14:36

pointythings · 20/10/2024 14:35

You seem to think that increased risk and death is a set in stone inevitable consequence of scrapping the Rwanda plan when the numbers planned for deportation in the plan was in the low hundreds and would have done nothing to deter migration via small boat. Again, I'm taking a wait and see approach instead of judging a government after 5 minutes. We have a fundamental difference in approach here which we will not overcome. You're determined to see everything this government does as bad - fine, that is your prerogative. I'm suspending judgement until they have had some actual time.

’Smash the gangs’ was Labour’s oft-stated ‘policy’ during electioneering.

I wouldn’t hold your breath.

pointythings · 20/10/2024 14:37

Rockalittle78 · 20/10/2024 14:36

’Smash the gangs’ was Labour’s oft-stated ‘policy’ during electioneering.

I wouldn’t hold your breath.

I'm not holding my breath. But equally, I'm not leaping to premature judgement.

Rockalittle78 · 20/10/2024 14:40

pointythings · 20/10/2024 14:37

I'm not holding my breath. But equally, I'm not leaping to premature judgement.

The thread is the ‘the first 100 days’.

The Tories are out, understandably. Labour own this now.

pointythings · 20/10/2024 14:40

And this is where I leave the thread - we will not agree on anything. It's sad that some people won't give a brand new government the slightest chance to do things before leaping to judgement, but it isn't surprising.

EasternStandard · 20/10/2024 14:44

pointythings · 20/10/2024 14:35

You seem to think that increased risk and death is a set in stone inevitable consequence of scrapping the Rwanda plan when the numbers planned for deportation in the plan was in the low hundreds and would have done nothing to deter migration via small boat. Again, I'm taking a wait and see approach instead of judging a government after 5 minutes. We have a fundamental difference in approach here which we will not overcome. You're determined to see everything this government does as bad - fine, that is your prerogative. I'm suspending judgement until they have had some actual time.

If you were following Amnesty International you’d see they have made a statement already, so yes increased risk and death is due to smash the gangs policy

The Government's 'smash the gangs' slogan and its security-heavy approach is contributing to the death toll

That was in September, there have been more deaths since then as they announced via press release.

Also look up the increase in numbers per boat, it has gone up either due to lower supply of vessels and / or higher demand

Is Labour’s policy still a positive?

EasternStandard · 20/10/2024 14:46

pointythings · 20/10/2024 14:37

I'm not holding my breath. But equally, I'm not leaping to premature judgement.

Is it premature? Amnesty International don’t think it is, presumably because they can see the higher risk and reports of fatalities

PinkFruitbat · 20/10/2024 17:38

pointythings · 20/10/2024 14:40

And this is where I leave the thread - we will not agree on anything. It's sad that some people won't give a brand new government the slightest chance to do things before leaping to judgement, but it isn't surprising.

School VAT is already going to hit me in January.

A poorly planned, poorly executed, ideologically driven policy.

So I will judge them on that thanks.

VimtoVimto · 20/10/2024 18:05

PinkFruitbat · 20/10/2024 12:33

Minimum wage is hiking up nicely. Now £23.7k for a full time 40hr week.

Average wages prob need to be £45-50k rather than £35k.

However differentials are at play where low to medium earning employees receive higher awards than more senior staff.

This is causing ‘pay comprehension’. Get ready to hear more about this.

Where I work grads come in on +£30k with higher qualified staff (PhDs) and 15 year of work experience on £45k.

That was the case when I worked in a large multinational company in 1985. Newly qualified chartered accountants were recruited and paid more than existing similarly qualified accountants who had more experience.

Rummly · 20/10/2024 18:07

pointythings · 20/10/2024 14:40

And this is where I leave the thread - we will not agree on anything. It's sad that some people won't give a brand new government the slightest chance to do things before leaping to judgement, but it isn't surprising.

The sentiment is noble, but I very much doubt that any MN Labour supporters have ever given any credit or grace period to the Tories.

PinkFruitbat · 20/10/2024 18:24

VimtoVimto · 20/10/2024 18:05

That was the case when I worked in a large multinational company in 1985. Newly qualified chartered accountants were recruited and paid more than existing similarly qualified accountants who had more experience.

Yes it has happened for years. But I think now it is even worse.

https://minimumwage.blog.gov.uk/2024/02/16/how-has-the-nlw-affected-pay-differentials-within-firms/

How has the NLW affected pay differentials within firms? – Low Pay Commission

The Low Pay Commission (LPC) is an independent body that advises the government about the National Minimum Wage and National Living Wage

https://minimumwage.blog.gov.uk/2024/02/16/how-has-the-nlw-affected-pay-differentials-within-firms

EasternStandard · 20/10/2024 18:42

Rummly · 20/10/2024 18:07

The sentiment is noble, but I very much doubt that any MN Labour supporters have ever given any credit or grace period to the Tories.

I don’t see why it’s ‘sad’ anyway as in pp. People seem unduly protective of Labour

Policies which will bring hardship to millions of pensioners are happening almost immediately and boats are overcrowded causing higher risk of death.

Plus other VAT and housing policy, if there are people hit by those I don’t see why it’s important Labour are left alone.

Rockalittle78 · 20/10/2024 19:24

EasternStandard · 20/10/2024 18:42

I don’t see why it’s ‘sad’ anyway as in pp. People seem unduly protective of Labour

Policies which will bring hardship to millions of pensioners are happening almost immediately and boats are overcrowded causing higher risk of death.

Plus other VAT and housing policy, if there are people hit by those I don’t see why it’s important Labour are left alone.

Starmer clearly detests it when his judgement is questioned - he’s used to being in opposition whilst the Tories were making the headlines, often for the wrong reasons. Scrutiny comes with the privilege of government.

The PP’s ‘sad’ comment, and their frequent reference to ‘I want’, merely demonstrated a naivety as to the way politics and business work. A rare few individuals in power act in any other way than in pursuit of their own self-interest, ultimately.

BIossomtoes · 20/10/2024 19:37

Rummly · 20/10/2024 18:07

The sentiment is noble, but I very much doubt that any MN Labour supporters have ever given any credit or grace period to the Tories.

On the contrary, I’ve defended Major and his contemporaries numerous times. On the whole they were pretty decent in that era. How can we possibly give credit for austerity, Brexit, partygate, Truss or Rwanda?

Rummly · 20/10/2024 19:53

One of my favourite politicians of all time was Roy Mason.

David Owen was also a great figure. As was Roy Jenkins.

Labour today has nobody of that calibre or decency.

Rockalittle78 · 20/10/2024 19:53

BIossomtoes · 20/10/2024 19:37

On the contrary, I’ve defended Major and his contemporaries numerous times. On the whole they were pretty decent in that era. How can we possibly give credit for austerity, Brexit, partygate, Truss or Rwanda?

Ain’t rearview decision-making a wonderful thing.

For the sake of balance, it would be prudent to analyse the opposition’s behaviour during the issues and periods in question.

Back to the present, history is happening now as they say, and Labour have the added responsibility of governing with an opposition currently in disarray.

Chrysalistastic · 20/10/2024 21:03

Aduvetday · 19/10/2024 14:26

The statistics say that’s either bullshit or you’re in a minority. Especially at 100k+ you can’t keep the country afloat on your own.

I must be in a minority as it's not bullshit. What's the relevance of 100k+? I am still paying school fees for one of my DC and voted Labour. I wouldn't base my vote on just the VAT issue.

EasternStandard · 20/10/2024 21:27

Chrysalistastic · 20/10/2024 21:03

I must be in a minority as it's not bullshit. What's the relevance of 100k+? I am still paying school fees for one of my DC and voted Labour. I wouldn't base my vote on just the VAT issue.

What year are they in and do you work in the public sector?

Aduvetday · 20/10/2024 22:36

Chrysalistastic · 20/10/2024 21:03

I must be in a minority as it's not bullshit. What's the relevance of 100k+? I am still paying school fees for one of my DC and voted Labour. I wouldn't base my vote on just the VAT issue.

That’s when the punitive hidden taxes kick in. You’d know that if you were a high earner.

Chrysalistastic · 21/10/2024 00:01

EasternStandard · 20/10/2024 21:27

What year are they in and do you work in the public sector?

They have a few years to go and I work in the City.