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Please help me figure out how to fix my kids ' childhood

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DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 11:27

Theoretically, we are very privileged. Both dh and me have good jobs and the kids are relatively healthy. But our biggest issue (at least mine) is that there is just not enough time. Ever. The kids never have enough time to play, do craft, practice dd's instrument or do homework. We barely have enough time to talk and on top of that the kids are sleep deprived because there isn't enough time to sleep. And dd is late to school most days. I blame the long school days in the uk but other parents and kids seem to manage much better so it's obviously something we are doing wrong. I'm desperate. Please help me figure it out. Dd is 8 and in year 4. Ds is 3 and in pre school.

This is our schedule:

7.00 wake dd
7.20 dd slowly gets up (after lots of attempts to get her out of bed. Mostly still no shouting at this point)
7.20-8.00: dd gets ready (go to the toilet, get dressed, brush teeth and hair, pack school stuff, eat breakfast if there is time otherwise pack breakfast and eat in the car). More and more shouting and stress at this point for the kids to hurry up.
8.00 we have to leave at 8 to be at the school by 8.30. Most of the time we don't manage and are 5-10 minutes late. Most of the time we have forgotten something.

Ds gets up quite easily at 7 but needs help wothe very step of grtting ready. So he gets ready very quickly but then often delays everything by starting to play and refusing to leave the house.

8.30-3.30: school
4.00-4:15: back at home.
4.15-6.15 free time (but dd loses a lot of time by very slowly washing her hands and removing her shoes, etc). This is the time when theoretically she could do.any school related work or practice her instrument. Ds can just play.
6 -7.15 or 7.30: dinner. I know it's long but dd is severely underweight. No medical issues. Possibly arfid. She eats extremely slowly but we cannot cut down on this time and risk less calories going into her.
7.15 or 7.30 - 7.45: dance or play (so they don't go to bed feeling too full)
7.45 -8 or 8.15: get ready for bed (This is when I start getting stressed again)

8.30 - 8.45 lights out after reading for a while
Dd takes very long to fall asleep. Often an hour or so. It's not hecause she isn't tired. It's irrespective of when she goes to hed and she struggles so incredibly much waking up in the morning that she imo she needs more sleep. Ds is out like a light sometime between 8.15 and 8.30 whenever we manage to put him to bed. He is just turned 3, has just dropped his nap but we don't manage to put him to bed before that. He refuses to go upstairs without dd.

Once a week dd has a club at school followed by swimming so she only comes home by about 7pm and then everything is even more delayed. Once s week I need her to.atrend a club or after school club so I can finish work.

On Saturdays we have a slow start. Dd has an extra curricular activity at 11am but somehow we are also always late for this club. The biggest bottlenecks are getting ready and breakfast. She hates both. She is adamant that she wants to do this club. We try and keep Saturday afternoons and Sundays free for family outings, meet8ng friends, birthday parties, going to the park or play dates. Somehow they pass in a jiffy too. Sometimes her homework takes a couple of hours (or more).

Our biggest bottlenecks are getting ready and eating but I just don't know how to get dd to speeden up. I'm not sure she can. She is very absent minded and dreamy. And she is so tired in the morning, which slows her down too.

She loves doing craft but we have got a million craft projects lying around that she has started but doesn't get time to finish because she never gets a decent few hours or fald a day in one stretch to work on just one thing. There are the weekends but I also think it's important that she plays outdoors and with other kids so half a day goes at least in going to the park or on a playdate.

She loves reading but she reads so much that slowly I think it's doing more harm than good because of all the other things she is missing out on. She also loves talking which slows her down but then we need to have time to talk don't we? She often wants to talk to me at bedtime but we are usually so late already! I get some time to play with ds after school but at all times when dd is at home she talks non stop so there is very little opportunity to talk enough to ds. I thought his language skills were. underdeveloped for his age because of that but according to the health visitor his speech and comprehension are quite good. Still. I feel so bad for not talking to him enough m

Anyway, dd is also meant to do 20min of school work every day (app game based) but there is just no time. We just don't do it. She used to do very well academically but is noe starting to lag behind. She is learning an instrument but rarely practices.

Apologies for the length of this but I just don't know what to do. 1-2h of free time a day are just not enough to fit in anything of quality but I just don't know what to do. I wish she went to a different school that was closer to us and had a shorter day (and no homework) but that's a whole other thread. For now we are stuck with the school.

What am I doing wrong? What could i do betterI ?

I can feel my blood pressure rise every morning and evening when I need the kids to get ready either for school or for bed and I'm exhausted by the time it's done. I always used to be a calm and patient parent but now I'm starting to become more shouty and I hate it. It seems like there is no time for cheerfulness or playfulness let alone any proper playing. This isn't how childhood is supposed to be. Kids are meant to have loads of time. Enough time to get bored. My kids don't even have enough time to sleep. Please help me. What am I doing wrong?

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anxioussister · 11/10/2024 14:33

Diagnosed and medicated ADHD here too - so I can empathise with some of your struggles. The glaring things that stick out are the constantly late to school / the very long free time / the late supper. I know it’s anathema to how you are wired to have a more rigid schedule but it really really works to be disciplined about it. Children might be initially a bit resistant but once they understand it’s here to stay they’ll probably relax into feeling calmer about a more organised life.

my schedule with similar aged children (plus an extra) is as follows

  • 7am wake up + get dressed
  • 7:20 breakfast + brush hair
  • 7:45 brush teeth + shoes on
  • 7:55 - leave for school (takes half an hour + we have to be there by 8:45 so I have 15 mins buffer time)
  • 3:30 pick up - snack immediately in car (milk + peanut butter crackers + fruit usually)
  • Home and 20 mins of homework
  • free time until supper (unless they have swimming)
  • 5pm - 5:45 supper
  • 6pm - 6:15 piano practice
  • 6:15-6:45 - an episode of a cartoon or video if all hwk + music practice has been done
  • 6:45 upstairs to bath + teeth
  • 7 - all curl up in bed and oldest children read to me before I read to everyone
  • lights out at 7:30

once children are in bed I set out everything they need for the next day (PE kit, reading books, music folder waterproof trousers for outdoor learning etc etc) so we never forget it in the morning. The children and I check their timetable together by the door before we leave the house to make sure we have everything they need…

maybe none of this chimes with you - that’s ok! But my ADHD brain initially resists and then thrives on order…

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 14:33

MsNeis · 11/10/2024 12:58

I marked YANBU not because I think you are doing anything wrong, but because I wanted to say that I feel very much your situation and think it's perfectly reasonable you feel this way.
(I haven't read other replies, so maybe I'm repeating something that has already been said.)
I say I feel you because I could have written your post: I feel like I'm always rushing my daughter and become very agitated and anxious and shout and I hate it because I don't recognise myself in this witch... I don't know how to fix this but know that I'm in the same boat and wanted to share some insight in case it helps:

  1. I change with my DH whenever possible if I feel I'm coming to the edge and about to become an ogre (which, as I say, happens more than I'd like). I'm learning still to recognise my triggers and I don't always get it right, but I try.
  2. There may be practical things you can do re. time management: e.g. prepping the night before. But I won't focus on that because I'm not very good at it 😅
  3. Recognise your triggers for snapping: are you tired/hungry/uncomfortable in any way? Put your oxygen mask on first of all, that kind of thing.
  4. The thing that's been eye opening to me (this is me, not necessarily you, but I share in case it resonates): my daughter reacts to the stress I create! She slows down the more I rush her, not on purpose I believe, but as a kind of balancing unconscious mechanism if it makes sense? I know because I used to do the same as a child: I'm literally repeating what my mum did 😂 I always felt rushed, there was never time to play or just go to my rythym. So I find it very difficult to allow it for my daughter.
As I said: I don't know how to fix it, but in my case, by aknowledging that a big part of the problem is my own mindset, I've been more aware and able to correct some things.

You are not doing anything wrong, you've identified a problem and want to fix it: you want to do and be better for your children, that is great seriously 🙏 I honestly wish you find the way for your family!
(Sorry for the lengthy post 😳)

Thank you for your kinds words and your advice and no need to apologise. (I cannot write short posts either.)

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rainbowsandinfinitesparkles · 11/10/2024 14:33

We have had some similar challenges because of a health condition my eldest has and only this term have things started to click and he is now in year 3. We have had issues with getting school work done and instrument practice. I would say work out your daughter's best time of day and make that when you do focused stuff the down time can happen when the concentration is waining.

I have 3 under 7 and found this routine works for us after lots of frustration and tweaking.
Up at 6 and we leave for school at 8.30. They have breakfast around 6.30 - before then they are chilling and waking up properly while I do packed lunches.
7am reading for both the school aged boys and piano practice they have free time while the other is reading with me.
7.45 getting dressed and bags packed. They have physical checklists for packing bags and I lay uniform out in the order it goes on.

8.20 shoes and coats on. I help with this in order to get out the door. There is a time for independence and a time for help
Collect at 3.15. kids have a protein based snack so they can function. They do a club 3 day a week.
Their spellings and times tables we turn into games or they do tt rockstar for maths on the way to the club. Which don't take more than 10 minutes then rest is free time
Dinner served sometime between 5 and 530 depending how much help they have needed and clubs.
6.15 showers teeth etc
6.45 - 7.30 chilling with audio books whilst I do bedtime story and cuddles with each child individually and all asleep by 7.45.

Weekends we have cut all regular activities as we found they are able to cope with the structure of the week with total freedom at the weekend. We do days out probably once a month but otherwise we give them lots of choice so it might be the park or board games or whatever but they are in control and I get some time to get ahead for the week.

Katielovesteatime · 11/10/2024 14:34

Long school days in the UK? Where I live school is 8:00-5:00 from kindergarten all the way up until high school!

NewFriendlyLadybird · 11/10/2024 14:34

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 12:43

Just to clarify: she doesn't take 2h to take off her shoes and wash her hands. It doesn't take her longer than other kids. So she will come in and then pick up a book or do this and that because hand washing is boring. So she will procrastinate handwashing for a quite a long time but in that time she won't start anything of what she wants to do because she knows she still needs to wash her hands.

Where she loses a crazy amount of time though is sitting on the toilet and day dreaming. Is that normal?

It can be normal for a certain type of ADHD. I’d say these are symptoms that are serious enough to investigate.

I suggest body doubling for the shoes and handwashing. Stand with her, chat, but keep her on task.

I don’t think homework is very important at this age, but if you want her to practise her instrument you have to make sure it happens. You don’t have to be with her necessarily, but march her cheerfully into wherever she practices and tell her you’ll let her know when half an hour is up.

Agree with others that you should bring the meal forward. And bring it to an end when necessary, whether or not she has finished. Or let her stay at the table while DS gets down and clear up around her. If she’s spending too long daydreaming on the loo, knock on the door.

I found that with two children I just had to locate my inner Sargent Major and keep things moving myself.

Reading and re-reading books is fine, btw, especially before bed. If you can find a way to de-stress at that time yourself she may find it easier to wind down with a familiar and ‘easy’ book.

TheWayTheLightFalls · 11/10/2024 14:35

I posted earlier but chiming in again to say: I have ADHD (and ASD, lucky me) - it's not clear whether DD has it but I'd accept that you have it, if you've been through a proper diagnostic process. And maybe it would be easier to think about parenting or caring for yourself. What do YOU need to have a calmer morning? What help do you need in the evenings? And so on.

I'm not sure about my DD, though I reckon I can see some ND-ish behaviours. But for now I absolutely can acknowledge the things I find difficult and try to help myself.

Dmsandfloatydress · 11/10/2024 14:37

Culturally when children are small we, in the UK , feed them relatively early. Say 5pm . My son went to bed at 6.30 until he was 7 . That way he was up at 6 after 11 hours sleep. Adults will eat later, after the kids are in bed. At 6 they can play and read until 7am when you get up and do the morning routine.
In a word, routine, routine, routine. My son does 10 minutes instrument in the morning before school after he is washed and dressed. He will also read his book to me. If your child is ND then she will function better with a tight routine, knowing what comes next.

Katielovesteatime · 11/10/2024 14:40

Let your child read. Talk over dinner. Lose the instrument. Drop the club. Wake the kids 15 minutes earlier if you’re usually 10 minutes late each day.

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 14:40

Bushmillsbabe · 11/10/2024 13:36

Few thoughts
You seem to be in school commute 1.5 hours each day is leaving at 8 and getting there about 8.45 (you say it's 8.30 but often 10-15 mins late). Consider if that school is worth that commute, or a quicker way to get there.
We took a conscious decision that we did not want a long school commute, and moved to a village where school is 5 mins walk away. We aim to leave at 8.30 for an 8.40 start, do a slow walk with stopping and chatting

You say your daughter is a slow eater - is she getting enough nutrition at school, as their lunchtimes are often 30 mins or less? I have an extremely slow eater, partly due to being ND, partly due to oral abnormalities, meaning takes ages to chew, a piece of chicken can take 5 mins from going in to being swallowed. So we eat little and often as she can't focus long enough to get enough nutrition in, and is underweight. High calorie low effort foods, such as home made smoothies with full fat yogurt are a winner for us when get home at about 3.45, with dinner at about 5.30

We have to leave the house by 8am byt we usually leave later than that. That's why we are late.

The drive itself is about 15 to 20min and rhen 6-7min walk to school.

The school issue is a whole other thread again but briefly she was absolutely miserable in reception in our local school that was a 5 minute walk away and had a shorter school day. She is happy in her current school but it's a drive away, school days are longer and i suspect they put a lot more pressure on the kids to perform well (which i don't agree with).

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NewFriendlyLadybird · 11/10/2024 14:42

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 14:40

We have to leave the house by 8am byt we usually leave later than that. That's why we are late.

The drive itself is about 15 to 20min and rhen 6-7min walk to school.

The school issue is a whole other thread again but briefly she was absolutely miserable in reception in our local school that was a 5 minute walk away and had a shorter school day. She is happy in her current school but it's a drive away, school days are longer and i suspect they put a lot more pressure on the kids to perform well (which i don't agree with).

Why was she miserable?

SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 11/10/2024 14:42

I told dd that just 10 minutes three times a week would make a massive difference but somehow it never happens. When I remind her she isn't that keen. Her instrument does require a bit of prep and cleaning after playing but I do think she needs to clean it as otherwise it just won't sound good. Maybe I should clean it for her.

Routine - it happens at x time on x day - you remind her and then it happens.

Put it on wall calendar/list and she crosses it off.

coxesorangepippin · 11/10/2024 14:42

Earlier bed

Drop the instrument

Set a timer for dinner, if she's not done in twenty mins no playtime/watching TV

Main point: stop micromanaging your kids to this extent. It's probably contributing to her stress around eating.

Narwhalsh · 11/10/2024 14:42

First thing I thought when I saw your schedule is ‘give breakfast in the car’. Saw your comment about a sandwich, if it works then I would go with it!

Sandwiches also make reasonable teas I think, especially around evening activities

BlackButter · 11/10/2024 14:44

Trebolle · 11/10/2024 11:38

Eat dinner earlier. Dancing before bed will get them fired up. That's pretty bonkers.

There’s a new school of thought that actually rough housing or active play just before bed can help children, especially those who are ND, get any “wiggles” out and connect with their parents and actually go to sleep quicker. If it works for you great, if you need 3hoirs of monastery silence for yours great too.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 11/10/2024 14:45

Putthekettleon73 · 11/10/2024 14:32

Just to say re the instrument. No primary school child (or none I know!) will pick it up and practise unprompted. I played instruments and my kids do as I really value it's worth but my kids only practise when Im there helping them. It's worth it for me. But pick your battles!

My kids are 13, 10 and 6 and we all eat at 5. The eldest could easily eat later but they are hungry when they get in and I'd rather get them fed with decent food then rather than just snacking.

My middle one is autistic and takes a LOT of prompting to get dressed. But we manage to all be ready on time. I can't bear being late. Are you an on time person yourself?

My (older) Dd did. She did all her stuff unprompted. So I got a massive shock with DS! 😂

Now I’m not saying that’s a feature of his adhd (although it might make it more pronounced) and I’m sure Dd was the unusual one, but it was still a shock!

TinselTarTars · 11/10/2024 14:47

Just thought I'd post my routine as a mum of a 6yr old diagnosed adhd and a 3 year old. Two parents working full time.
I give my son 5 min warnings of all transitions and we have a 5min sand timer for getting dressed.

I get up at 5am with my husband who leaves for work, this gives me an hour to enjoy a tea and get ready.
Between 6-7 children wake naturally, will go downstairs, have a brioche bun and drink, watch TV.
7am breakfast all together listening to the radio.
7.30 upstairs to get ready for school / nursery
8am downstairs to play before we leave, this gives me 5mins to make the beds.

After school, snacks, play/ TV.
5pm dinner
6pm baths and reading
7pm both in bed

I do homework at the weekend.
Once you find a routine that works, everything will be much easier. Trial and error.

GPNightmare · 11/10/2024 14:47

You can’t change everything at once. Think of all those people who make new year’s resolutions to lose weight, get fit, learn a language, give up smoking/drinking AND be more organised then give up after a few weeks. You are far more likely to succeed if you make just one resolution.

I would go back to babying her for the less important stuff for now eg straight in the door from school, supervise both of them hand washing, putting out clothes for the morning, getting her bag ready, maybe even making the breakfast sandwich. Supervise getting ready in the morning. Routine really helps. Can you set aside 10 mins for homework as soon as you get in? Practice spelling games in the car and play times table songs on the way to school. Could she use the apps on the way to school too?

I’m going to suggest you keep up the instrument if she enjoys it. I never practiced in primary school and I made it into NYO 😂 So what if progress is slow because she doesn’t practice? We don’t discourage kids from drawing or playing football for fun and insist they practice to get better. Playing for fun is as good as practice (almost). Are there any music groups she could join? Making music with other people is fun and social, it will develop her skills and give you time for just your DS. Get her to play something very easy for fun while you dance or drum/clap in time, or make up her own song. Try adding in some supervised practice in in the future (again, at a set time).

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 14:48

Bushmillsbabe · 11/10/2024 13:44

It's actually not very different, you did a 5 hour school day, children in uk do 5 hrs 15 mins learning time with 1hr 15 mins breaktimes and lunchtimes for eating and play, my daughter school day is 8.45-3.15. I'm guessing if you finished at 1 you then went home for lunch?
I think yours feels long in part due to your commute to school, rather than due to the school day itself being long.
I attended a state school which followed a more continental timing model, starting at 8am and finishing at 2.15pm, and I do agree that the longer afternoon gave more flexibility, but I think you would struggle to get your daughter there by 8am?

Edited

Ha I was in school from 8-13.00h but that included two breaks so actual learning time was only a bit more than 4h. And we only joined school the year we turned 7. Yes, we went home for lunch.

Yes, the commute absolutely sucks and dd's school is about 30min longer than standard which sucks as well but she's happy there so we are stuck with it.

We struggle to get ready at any time. We are even late for her 11am club on Saturday.

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Proudtobeanortherner · 11/10/2024 14:49

We had a weight issue when our daughter was very young. We were given an “oil” food additive to keep the calorie intake up so that she had to eat less. Might this help? Has a GP checked her over? Could there be an underlying health issue?
I’m not suggesting that it’s this severe but our daughter had a heart condition so she didn’t want to eat because her heart had to work harder pumping blood to digest it. You wouldn’t have know to look at her that there was anything wrong and she was fine once it was repaired.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 11/10/2024 14:51

Chiming in again. I think it’s that your daughter is too young (and maybe too ADHD) to manage herself. It feels as if she ought to be a bit more independent at her age but she really can’t. I had to stand over my children and I remember my mother standing over us, particularly when it came to music practice as there were three of us and we each played two instruments. We had a rota and we had to stick to it.

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 14:53

viques · 11/10/2024 13:57

Works for you. Not an option for many. Not really relevant to the OPs problem.

Regarding the long school days, no, it's not something we can change but I am grateful for the poster you were replying to because sometimes it's just nice when someone understands why I keep ranting about long school days.

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11oclockrock · 11/10/2024 14:55

The dreaminess and the slowness and the not much inclination to read (if I read that right) is just like my 9yo god daughter who is diagnosed with ADHD and dyslexic fyi.

Lowering expectations, reducing after school activities and looking into melatonin have all helped her and her family.

BCSurvivor · 11/10/2024 14:57

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 14:48

Ha I was in school from 8-13.00h but that included two breaks so actual learning time was only a bit more than 4h. And we only joined school the year we turned 7. Yes, we went home for lunch.

Yes, the commute absolutely sucks and dd's school is about 30min longer than standard which sucks as well but she's happy there so we are stuck with it.

We struggle to get ready at any time. We are even late for her 11am club on Saturday.

Being consistently late for everything - school, 11am club etc and having to grab breakfast in the car has got to be taking an emotional toll on your daughter.
She will be feeling rushed into things and playing catchup from the moment she leaves the car/arrives at school/clubs, rather than starting the day relaxed.
I echo what PPs have said, get up 15/30 minutes earlier and keep to a structured routine.

DrowningInChaos · 11/10/2024 14:58

NewFriendlyLadybird · 11/10/2024 14:01

How is her appetite for lunch at school?

It's always been an issue as she only gets 30min. I speak to the teacher every year about it and they say they will give her more time if she doesn't finish a good amount but she has told.me herself that she serves herself smaller portions so I don't think she is eating lots. I do think she prefers the food in school..I try to recreate it at home hut don't seem to be able to.

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InfoSecInTheCity · 11/10/2024 14:58

It sounds like your Dads issues with food are causing a lot of delay making it difficult to use your time efficiently not just for you but also for your DS.

I do think you need to explore assessment and support for your DDs eating and weight.

A couple of small additions to the previous advice you've received that I would add.

You say that DS gets distracted in the morning and ends up playing then doesn't want to leave. You also say he doesn't have time to do 20 mins homework a day, I'd have him do his homework in the morning as it would solve 2 problems at once.

Your kids have loads of time to play and do crafts after school, they have a solid 2 hours between arriving home and dinner. You say that there are half finished sets and crafts everywhere that never get finished, they may have so much choice of stuff to do that it's overwhelming to pick something. We've found that DD is more likely to crack on with a self chosen activity if we rotate her stuff in and out. So every now and then we'll sort out her stuff, put some away and bring other stuff out, making sure what is out is easy to access and sort through.