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To think sometimes people use words without fully understanding them?

192 replies

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 22:34

There were a few examples in my previous AIBU thread. Including, but not limited to:

Genocide
Antisemitism
Zionism
Ethnic Cleansing

These are strong trigger words for many people, myself included, but I think they are often misused and/or misunderstood.

Thoughts?

Zionism, n. meanings, etymology and more | Oxford English Dictionary

Zionism, n. meanings, etymology, pronunciation and more in the Oxford English Dictionary

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/zionism_n?tab=factsheet#13691072

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SimpleThings101 · 09/10/2024 23:41

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 23:13

Often together, "It was, like, literally decimated" when they mean it was slightly damaged.

Decimated literally means 1 person out of ten is killed (as a punishment for a group, eg a mutinous Roman legion). Therefore 9 out of 10 are unharmed (though traumatised!)

A much harsher version of this was carried out by King David after defeating the Moabites when…
“He made them lie down on the ground and measured them off with a length of cord. Every two lengths of them were put to death, and the third length was allowed to live. So the Moabites became subject to David and brought him tribute.”
2 Samuel 8:2

Nowadays decimated means the destruction of a large number / many.

It would be correct in modern English to say King David decimated the Moabites, though in fact he killed two thirds of them rather than just one tenth.

Rickrolypoly · 09/10/2024 23:43

InfoSecInTheCity · 09/10/2024 23:35

This one unreasonably irritates me, along with the word literally.

"I literally died!"

No you fucking didn't, if you had literally died you would not be standing here literally annoying me to the point where I want to punch you

In this example though, the person is saying the expression I literally died (of embarrassment). Which would be considered correct, no?

Rickrolypoly · 09/10/2024 23:44

SimpleThings101 · 09/10/2024 23:41

Decimated literally means 1 person out of ten is killed (as a punishment for a group, eg a mutinous Roman legion). Therefore 9 out of 10 are unharmed (though traumatised!)

A much harsher version of this was carried out by King David after defeating the Moabites when…
“He made them lie down on the ground and measured them off with a length of cord. Every two lengths of them were put to death, and the third length was allowed to live. So the Moabites became subject to David and brought him tribute.”
2 Samuel 8:2

Nowadays decimated means the destruction of a large number / many.

It would be correct in modern English to say King David decimated the Moabites, though in fact he killed two thirds of them rather than just one tenth.

I was helping my child with his history (Roman) revision this weekend and we came upon that phrase. I was just about to comment 😂

InfoSecInTheCity · 09/10/2024 23:45

No @Rickrolypoly because if they had literally died they would be dead.

"The adverb literally means "actually," and we use it when we want others to know we're serious, not exaggerating or being metaphorical. The adverb literally means "actually," and we use it when we want others to know we're serious, not exaggerating or being metaphorical."

MetalGearSystem · 09/10/2024 23:47

yes, most of the time they just repeat whats in the news or what they think they know about x topics many examples can also be on mumsnet itself , sometimes we need more academic discourse type posts.

Rickrolypoly · 09/10/2024 23:48

InfoSecInTheCity · 09/10/2024 23:45

No @Rickrolypoly because if they had literally died they would be dead.

"The adverb literally means "actually," and we use it when we want others to know we're serious, not exaggerating or being metaphorical. The adverb literally means "actually," and we use it when we want others to know we're serious, not exaggerating or being metaphorical."

Yes but what I am saying is that the full saying is I died of embarrassment and that is what people mean when the say "I died". They are referring to being embarrassed. The last part is just dropped, due to evolution of speech/slang I guess. The person saying this is not saying that they died, it's is an expression to indicate extreme embarrassment.

Brinny · 09/10/2024 23:48

A great thread love reading the comments 👏 and making me lol,

IceCreamIsTheDream · 09/10/2024 23:49

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 22:34

There were a few examples in my previous AIBU thread. Including, but not limited to:

Genocide
Antisemitism
Zionism
Ethnic Cleansing

These are strong trigger words for many people, myself included, but I think they are often misused and/or misunderstood.

Thoughts?

I have used all four of those very emotive words in the last year when discussing or reacting to, the horrors endured by thousands of innocent civilians, mainly children, in Gaza.

I understand the words very well. I am very clear on their meaning. I know fully well what I mean when I use those four words, and the intent behind my use of them.

If someone's opinion differs to mine, it does not mean I am ignorant or do not have a good grasp of language. It just means their opinion differs from mine. To suggest my difference of opinion is simply due to ignorence or incorrect language use is incredibly patronising!

zeitweilig · 09/10/2024 23:50

Treacherous is often overused by someone close to me, who will remain unmentioned.
Sometimes people over use words or misunderstand words, but also they might just see it as more serious/scary/etc than we do.

SimpleThings101 · 09/10/2024 23:52

Rickrolypoly · 09/10/2024 23:44

I was helping my child with his history (Roman) revision this weekend and we came upon that phrase. I was just about to comment 😂

Kenan Thompson Reaction GIF by Saturday Night Live

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quantumbutterfly · 09/10/2024 23:53

Woman....

InfoSecInTheCity · 09/10/2024 23:53

And if you say 'I died' or 'I died of embarrassment' then it's clear that you are using the term as as an exaggeration or metaphor to indicate severe embarrassment or that feeling of wishing the ground would swallow you up.

Adding "literally" is taking away the exaggeration/metaphor element of the saying and changing it to "I actually died of embarrassment" and clearly you didn't because unless iZombie is now a documentary, zombies don't exist and they sure as hell can't tell me a story about being embarrassed.

Rickrolypoly · 09/10/2024 23:53

SimpleThings101 · 09/10/2024 23:52

.

Well this is awkward 😂

RobertaFirmino · 09/10/2024 23:56

When someone changes their mind and is said to do a 'full 360'. If you have turned 360 degrees, you are back at the place you started.

Rickrolypoly · 09/10/2024 23:57

InfoSecInTheCity · 09/10/2024 23:53

And if you say 'I died' or 'I died of embarrassment' then it's clear that you are using the term as as an exaggeration or metaphor to indicate severe embarrassment or that feeling of wishing the ground would swallow you up.

Adding "literally" is taking away the exaggeration/metaphor element of the saying and changing it to "I actually died of embarrassment" and clearly you didn't because unless iZombie is now a documentary, zombies don't exist and they sure as hell can't tell me a story about being embarrassed.

But you can literally die of embarrassment. The phrase means to be extremely embarrassed. So you can literally be extremely embarrassed.

www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/die-of-embarrassment-shame#:~:text=From%20Longman%20Dictionary%20of%20Contemporary,I%20just%20died%20of%20embarrassment.

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 00:00

RobertaFirmino · 09/10/2024 23:56

When someone changes their mind and is said to do a 'full 360'. If you have turned 360 degrees, you are back at the place you started.

Turn Around Ugh GIF

Yep. Should be a 180.

CautiousLurker · 10/10/2024 00:02

Eviscerated

when we actually mean excoriated…

Did that for years, myself. Felt like such a twit when I realised!

HollyLollyMollyJolly · 10/10/2024 00:03

Literally is literally. It's not (to be) used metaphorically. I'm not sure what the argument is here. You can say you died or died of embarrassment and that's fine - you're not saying that you're literally dead. You can say you're literally extremely embarrassed, that's fine too, but you cannot say you "literally died" or "literally died of embarrassment" (and still be literally alive).

It's a turn of phrase people have misused so much it's accepted because it's understood but it doesn't make it grammatically correct.

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 00:11

CautiousLurker · 10/10/2024 00:02

Eviscerated

when we actually mean excoriated…

Did that for years, myself. Felt like such a twit when I realised!

So many of these are derived from Latin. I’m thankful for a very academic education where I studied Latin for 5 years- helps enormously with English.

SimpleThings101 · 10/10/2024 00:13

I hear a lot of exasperated when people mean exacerbated. Drives me nuts. 🙃

DwightDFlysenhower · 10/10/2024 00:14

In a book I downloaded onto my Kindle, characters kept smiling or looking lecherously at one another.

I think the author thinks it's a fancy word for unpleasant.

MonsteraMama · 10/10/2024 00:18

I'm not sure why but the one that always really annoys me is "ambivalent".

I see and hear people using it a lot when they mean "nonchalant, apathetic etc" when it doesn't mean that at all.

CautiousLurker · 10/10/2024 00:18

DwightDFlysenhower · 10/10/2024 00:14

In a book I downloaded onto my Kindle, characters kept smiling or looking lecherously at one another.

I think the author thinks it's a fancy word for unpleasant.

Edited

Self published (self edited) books are the worst!!

readysteadynono · 10/10/2024 00:22

People muddle up mortified and horrified quite often.
They are use humbled when they mean something quite different e.g it was so humbling to win a huge away.

herecomesautumn · 10/10/2024 00:24

ichundich · 09/10/2024 23:15

Did your last thread not go how you intended? What is happening in Gaza right now meets the definition of 'genocide'.

Nope

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