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To have reservations about a friendship with a woman who refers to Israel's actions in Gaza as a genocide?

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Oodiks · 07/10/2024 22:28

I like this woman a lot, but we have very differing world views, specifically her belief that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

We work at a university and were coming back from lunch together when she commented that she was pleased the protestors hadn't come back. I agreed, noting how nerve wracking it must have been for Jewish students on campus to run the gauntlet of pro-Palestinian / anti-Zionist posters in the encampment.

We'd been talking about the American election over lunch, and I thought we'd agreed that Kamala Harris was the better candidate for her views on climate change, if nothing else, but then my 'friend' commented on Biden/Harris sending arms "to support the genocide" and I was left kind of speechless.

Am I being unreasonable to feel unsure about continuing this friendship?

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OneRarelySeesABrazierTheseDays · 09/10/2024 20:06

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 19:43

I'm not sure anti-Zionists actually understand what Zionism means.

Wow, how arrogant of you

OneRarelySeesABrazierTheseDays · 09/10/2024 20:07

Littleonesick · 09/10/2024 19:59

Thankfully we are not Israel and can freely watch Al Jazeera here.

It's the best news channel, tbh

OneRarelySeesABrazierTheseDays · 09/10/2024 20:08

Notaflippinclue · 09/10/2024 19:52

Al Jazeera pwahahaha give us a break - it needs removing from British screens - and the 10 commandments seem pretty sensible as far as religions go

So you think 10 made up rules from a work of fiction is a basis for life?

OneRarelySeesABrazierTheseDays · 09/10/2024 20:13

Notaflippinclue · 09/10/2024 18:07

Someone said most people are against Israel - well Palestine and Iran are (that is Hamas and Hezbollah) - rest of the world nah unless they are Islamists - ask yourself why the nations of the world aren't declaring war on Israel

You are so wrong
But any criticism of Israel is deemed antisemetic

ATenShun · 09/10/2024 20:15

Notaflippinclue · 09/10/2024 19:52

Al Jazeera pwahahaha give us a break - it needs removing from British screens - and the 10 commandments seem pretty sensible as far as religions go

All religious rules were written by somebody with their own beliefs in mind. To expect the whole world to live exactly by your rules is ridiculous.

But to use your commandments as a starting point.
What are you doing about people working on a Sunday in the UK?
Some religions have serveral Gods. Are you forbidding them?
Have you never looked at somebody who has a really nice car and fancy house and think wish I had that?
Presumably nobody you know has had an affair of divorced and remarried.
You never stole a sweet out the sweetie jar at christmas after mum said no more. That would be two commanments broken there.

How realistic are any of those in most households, not just UK but worldwide.

ATenShun · 09/10/2024 20:16

LetThereBeLove · 09/10/2024 19:30

Like the Koran, Talmud as well as the Bible for example? Glass houses and stones spring to mind.

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Yup, all made up nonsense preaching only their message is the correct one.

OneRarelySeesABrazierTheseDays · 09/10/2024 20:17

TriesNotToBeCynical · 09/10/2024 14:16

It is also worth noticing that in England virtually all our anti-Muslim racists are actually virulent antisemites, but generally, at the moment, keep their mouths shut about this. But if you read the propaganda of the NF, BNP etc it is very clear that they are just biding their time. Dangerous allies.

Oh please. The racist are generally anti anyone with skin darker than milk. Yes, anti-semites exist, but unless they come across orthodox Jews (easily reconisable), they don't know that they are Jewish because they are 'white'
Dianne Abbott was correct

KnutonHardz · 09/10/2024 20:21

The only think that is stopping Hamas murdering 100's of thousands of Israeli is the IDF (funded/armed) by the US. Take away that, and it will be genocide! Hamas must have a lot of support.

Israel continues with ethnic cleansing and the illegal land grab is the West Bank and mass killings of innocent women and children. A despicable regime, but supported by democratic elections.

anotherlevel · 09/10/2024 20:31

Thankfully this thread is almost full and the awful posts can end.

@Oodiks to answer your original post please stay away from your friend. She's better off without you.

Donotpanicoknowpanic · 09/10/2024 20:34

Oodiks · 07/10/2024 23:02

The ICC also has arrest warrants out for the leaders of Hamas, so?

So......

Hamas is widely regarded as a terrorist organisation with little international support and it is right they have arrest warrants out for them

Israel must stay within international laws when dealing with there security

Not targeting civilians, allowing aid to be given to civilians etc

Just because Hamas is a criminal organisation does not mean Israel can kill innocent civilians that Hamas control

They can not cause a genocide in Gaza to achieve there aims

HelenHen · 09/10/2024 20:37

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 19:45

The IDF investigates and disciplines soldiers for such breeches, Hamas encourages and rewards the same behaviors.

Tell me it's the same?

No it fucking doesn't!

TriesNotToBeCynical · 09/10/2024 20:38

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 19:43

That's a false equivalence. Hamas is the ruling party in Gaza and their founding charter calls for people should seek out and kill all Jews. It's not an obscure sect of a religion, it's a founding charter for their government.

Still making that lying statement, when you have accepted that Hamas' current policy does not say that?

anotherlevel · 09/10/2024 20:41

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 19:45

The IDF investigates and disciplines soldiers for such breeches, Hamas encourages and rewards the same behaviors.

Tell me it's the same?

😂😂 No this has to be a joke right?

TriesNotToBeCynical · 09/10/2024 20:42

OneRarelySeesABrazierTheseDays · 09/10/2024 20:17

Oh please. The racist are generally anti anyone with skin darker than milk. Yes, anti-semites exist, but unless they come across orthodox Jews (easily reconisable), they don't know that they are Jewish because they are 'white'
Dianne Abbott was correct

Racists are all to do with dark skin? Have you forgotten Moseley and others who actually supported the Nazis before ww2? Have you no knowledge of anti-Jewish marches in London in the 1940s and 50s?

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 20:45

anotherlevel · 09/10/2024 20:31

Thankfully this thread is almost full and the awful posts can end.

@Oodiks to answer your original post please stay away from your friend. She's better off without you.

You seem lovely

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Oodiks · 09/10/2024 20:46

OneRarelySeesABrazierTheseDays · 09/10/2024 20:06

Wow, how arrogant of you

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So, tell me what it means?

I’m just going on what people have posted, which is generally ignorant.

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anotherlevel · 09/10/2024 20:47

@Oodiks thank you :)

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 20:47

TriesNotToBeCynical · 09/10/2024 20:42

Racists are all to do with dark skin? Have you forgotten Moseley and others who actually supported the Nazis before ww2? Have you no knowledge of anti-Jewish marches in London in the 1940s and 50s?

There’s a weird perception that this issue started in 1948.

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OneRarelySeesABrazierTheseDays · 09/10/2024 20:47

TriesNotToBeCynical · 09/10/2024 20:42

Racists are all to do with dark skin? Have you forgotten Moseley and others who actually supported the Nazis before ww2? Have you no knowledge of anti-Jewish marches in London in the 1940s and 50s?

Of course i do
That was not my point as you know

Hididi11 · 09/10/2024 20:49

Oodiks · 09/10/2024 20:45

You seem lovely

The original poster seems like someone who is a dailymail reader.
Maybe read the guardian

ATenShun · 09/10/2024 20:49
Littleonesick · 09/10/2024 20:50

Stop the genocide 🇵🇸

HelenHen · 09/10/2024 20:51

Littleonesick · 09/10/2024 20:50

Stop the genocide 🇵🇸

That's the dream!

Littleonesick · 09/10/2024 20:51

FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸

anotherlevel · 09/10/2024 20:51

Littleonesick · 09/10/2024 20:50

Stop the genocide 🇵🇸

Hear hear 👏🏼

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