To expect my daughter to have access to non halal meat

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My daughters school now has only halal meat available for their school lunches.

I personally do not wish my child to have halal meat, I think its more cruel than other slaughter methods, however this thread is not intended to debate which is worse/better.

She is dairy and gluten intolerant, and her safe options tended to be things like roast chicken, the vegetarian options usually contain dairy. The pork sausages contain gluten so she would have the chicken sausages, she also eats burgers and meatballs but these are now also halal.

So if I don't give her halal meat, she is left with jacket potato with beans every day, which she does eat, but doesn't want to have every day.

I fully respect that Muslim parents wish their child to have halal meat, but am I wrong in thinking my dietary preferences for my daughter should also be respected and she should have access to non halal meat?

Im sorry but you’re not well backed up on that, there’s a debate to be had about whether or not it’s more moral if you are going to kill them anyway but the evidence does suggest that stunned animals are unconscious and brain scan evidence suggests they are less distressed than when they are not stunned. This is why non-stunned slaughter has been outlawed in many countries, with exemptions for religious reasons. There are very few advocates for the kosher and halal method for reasons other than religion.

One of my daughters classmates was in a silmilar situation the compromise was a couple of boxes of gluten free stuff being kept in the freezer. GF fishfingers and GF chicken Nuggets. Worth asking.

I think that packed lunch is the only option that can work in this case.

But a dead animal is a dead animal so why can't they eat non halal?

Yanbu.

YABU. Unless you have looked into the slaughter method of the school meat. The RSPCA issue with halal is that not all of the animals are stunned but the UK this is often/usually not the case.

How is it 'Muslim'?

If it's British meat being slaughtered

I personally think there should be both so everyone is happy. It makes no sense to me to appeal to only one set of people.

There should be dietary preferences for everyone.

The majority of Halal meat is stunned before having its throat slit, which is no different to how animals are normally slaughtered.
Halal does not automatically mean that every single animal has its throat slit whilst it's fully conscious.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that twitter is awash with halal meat threads today. And this is the second one I’ve seen on here today.
If she’s gluten and dairy free it’s much safer for her to take a packed lunch. Problem solved.

It’s very concerning that no thought is being given to children from other religions who would not be able to eat meat which has been blessed in the name of another god.
This is not inclusion.

Evidently you haven’t seen the panic, heard the distress and smelled the piss and shit being voided when animals witness other animals being stunned.

The animals don’t know that the stunning isn’t an instant death.

Ofc, if you are going to stun an animal, and then take it to a brain scan that animal’s brain is going to show it is unconscious & not feeling distress

Halal does not prohibit stunning right before slaughter, however it is required by halal that none of this is done in front of the other animals and a religious prayer is said.

Throat cut or bolt gun to the head when already unconscious? Zero difference imho.

Which religion forbids this? (Not shit stirring, genuinely interested)

Wow, I bet those frozen chicken nuggets were made from top-quality ethically-reared and slaughtered meat! That'll stick it to the Muslims, eh?

What part of the slaughter process bothers you?

If it’s simply them not being stunned then why not ask for the supplier and see if they stun before killing, as most halal and kosher slaughter houses do.

I am an atheist, but I do not agree with the introduction of Muslim prayers in British slaughterhouses. We do not say Christian prayers before an animal is killed, so I do not see why we need to say a Muslim prayer now.

Yes I’d want assurance the fish fingers were made from sustainably source cod and fished with dolphin, sea turtle and shark safe nets on boats that have been inspected to ensure no dodgy modern slavery or child labour was going on.

Sikhism

Almost all halal and kosher meat is stunned in the UK so that the animal is unconscious and insensible to pain at the point of death. That's exactly the same as the meat everyone else in the country eats.

Don’t be so obtuse. You do know that Muslims aren’t a race dont you? And that there are plenty of, shock horror, British Muslims?

I agree.

Its actually not the killing part that is so inhumane, regardless of whether it’s been stunned or not.

Its the transport to the slaughter house, the abuse the animals receive in the slaughter house, the waiting to be killed and witnessing/sensing that other animals are being killed.

Slaughter houses are the most awful, distressing places for animals.
But the killing is the kindest part.

I would like to see a law change where animals can only be slaughtered in a local slaughter house.
And like the halal meat, it’s done one by one and not just a conveyer belt of killing in front of the others.

It's not because it's Muslim it's because it's forcing the preference of a minority onto a majority.

I think if she has multiple allergies or intolerances and you object to her having halal meat, you're making things more difficult than they need to be. Why don't you pack her a lunch, or let her choose which meat she wants as long as it's "safe" for her conditions?

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