Baby P witch hunt

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I watched a full documentary on Tik Tok about Baby P today.

The thing I’m most struck by is that social worker/s were fired, a doctor is in permanent psychiatric care, social workers received death threats and in the middle of it all the mother receives a minimum 5 year jail sentence and has been in & out of jail since 2013.

There were clear failing but a lot of it was against the background of an overwhelmed system. In particular the clinic where the doctor worked had been flagged as dangerous to senior management by two doctors who resigned and another doctor was on stress leave. There was no access to notes at this clinic. The doctor who last saw Baby P had no access to notes, wasn’t familiar with procedures around child protection in the UK, was working without the assistance of a nurse who might have helped her. She saw Baby P for a specific reason to rule out underlying conditions that might explain his injuries. She was blamed for missing that he had a broken back but it’s not clear when his back was broken.
Her face was plastered all over the papers and she went to train stations multiple times with thoughts of ending her life, asked for her name to be removed from the register and is now in psychiatric care.

The social worker directly involved might have been able to do more but she did a lot including removing Peter, taking him to hospital, contacting the police and immediately contacting the mother when she heard she had a boyfriend.

The head of the area had serious death threats and was fired.

I know people say the different agencies between them had contact 60 times and they shouldn’t have missed it. But that also means there was a lot of effort being made to protect him.

There were reports written immediately afterwards blaming various social workers, the police and medical staff involved with the exception of that doctor seemed to get off more lightly.

The thing that floors me is the mother got min 5 years and was first released in 2013!!! It’s bloody extraordinary. I saw a clip of her speaking to social workers, she was v convincing!

I just can’t get over how a doctor can have a nervous breakdown but the mother is meanwhile out & about!!!! She back in now for breach of conditions I think. I keep thinking about that doctor.

AIBU?!

The idea of a mother harming her child is so abhorrent that we make excuses for their behaviour. However her bf Barker had an IQ of 60 and claims to also have been abused yet no one is making excuses for him.

Yes, society is heavily in denial about the fact that there are mothers who kill their children. This was obvious in social media's response to the deaths of the Philpott children, Asiah Kudi, and Logan Mwangi - people were bending over backwards to make excuses for their mothers.

Very much so, there are always excuses made for the women. Four children died recently because their mum went shopping and people jumped to her defence.

Connelly was witnessed slapping one of her children across the face and told the GP that Peter must have a condition that meant he bruised easily - paving the way for further abuse.

1000%.

Society isn't ready to acknowledge that mothers can be monsters.

When a father kills his child, he is an evil manipulative piece of sh*t.

When a mother does it she must have been suffering greatly with her mental health and could no longer cope and must have snapped and it could have been prevented with more support.

This has never been clearer to me as it was when the media was covering the tragic Lindsay Clancy family annihilation.

This woman wrote in her journal how much she disliked her middle son and how he was a more difficult person than she'd ever known.

She murdered her three children by strangling them with exercise bands and leaving them on the floor in her basement. Sent her husband out on an errand she knew would buy her some time to complete the murders.

Because she was white, attractive, and a nurse, women FELL OVER THEMSELVES to exonerate her, even before further info was known. Women rushed to say 'I am Lindsay, we are all Lindsay' and even change their facebook profile photos to a frame saying this.

Lindsay was framed as a victim, not as a cold blooded killer who ensured her children's father was far enough away he couldn't stop her. She systematically murdered all three of them before jumping through a window at a height that was never going to kill her.

It was utterly, completely nauseating. Three beautiful tiny children dead at the hands of their mum and hordes of women running to align themselves with her and say it could happen to any one of us.

Some research definitely needs to be done on this phenomenon.

There is. Every case is different and the evidence heard by the courts varies from case to case. Whatever you read from some poster isn’t what the court hears. It’s the court that matters. Not social media.

@Alina3 sounds like Lucy Letby and so many people defending her. Probably because she's a pretty nurse.

I adopted 2 neglected/abused children and quite a few people I knew (all women) were mostly concerned about their birth mother. Other mothers in particular can't cope with the idea that a mother could do this to her children.

i work with the kind of women whose children end up adopted. Haven’t met one yet who is inherently bad or who didn’t love their children. Have met many though who have experienced horrendous trauma leading to addiction and huge mental health issues.

"However her bf Barker had an IQ of 60 and claims to also have been abused yet no one is making excuses for him."

I'm interested in how they conduct these iq tests. If Barker knows low iq is some kind of excuse, is he gonna try hard in that test?

If you have an IQ 60 or below then you wouldn't understand what you are being tested for as you would have a learning disability or in nasty terms be called retarded.

Yes but the number 60 doesn't come out of nowhere right? Probably it is a test he went through.. Couldn't one fake a low iq... Don't know.

Barker was described as 'simple' and went to a school for children with learning disabilities. It would have been obvious from talking to him, that he has a low IQ. He couldn't read or write.

He enjoyed torturing animals and was prosecuted by the RSPCA.He was arrested in the 90s on suspicion of torturing his grandmother. He was later found guilty of raping a two year old.

You would have to be fairly clever to fool an educational psychologist, who is usually who runs these tests, and who would be very familiar with them. They would know what would be a typical response to a question would be.

They take other info like school reports into account too. Reading age. How they approach a task etc.

My daughter has a score of 56 but there is much more than just the score. 70 or under is considered moderate learning disability. 70 to 90 is mild. So 60 is pretty definitive