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cardibach · 05/10/2024 22:47

Relliketh · 05/10/2024 22:46

Hopefully it doesn't happen. Parents should be able to make their own decisions.

Nobody is stopping that.

qwertyasdfgzxcv · 05/10/2024 22:48

Didi mum is the truly entitled one here. Not sure how you think it is right for a private school parent to pay tax towards state education, pay for their child's schooling and then be asked to pay an additional tax.

Have to say, it would be much better if education was means tested.

Hopefully I will soon be taking a place in an excellent state school. Wasn't planning to before this but not going to do private secondary now.

This policy removes choice within education. Such a shame

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prestolondon · 05/10/2024 22:49

Pleasesendhelporwine · 05/10/2024 22:43

Oh thank god - she’s an awful woman! As a state school teacher PLEASE STOP THIS Ridiculous hate against independent schools! We state schoolers need them to exist!! We can’t cope. We use their facilities for free. When will this awful woman who is on a rampage realise this. She seems hateful and spiteful. Please stop and instead look properly at how it improve state schools and don’t fob us state school teacher and parents off with headline grabbing titles… the absolute c she is !

We have had so many more admissions into our school. My class has gone from 32 to 34. They are saying they’ll expand us to cater for independent school children who move over. We can’t cope. Please leave it be and drop the policy. Another idea is they are thinking of using TAs to teach the children and reduce the class sizes that way. State school children deserve a qualified teacher Bridget!!!! . Labour stop pissing around with our children’s education. Let us teach, in class sizes that we can manage and stop forcing more children into the system!

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Glad you said this, so many state school parents think that a bucket load of money will be funneled into their schools. I wish that were the case, it will in my view make state schools worse and ensure that private school cease burseries and pull up the drawbridge. I have heard from both sides of parents and schools and private schools are going to prioritise their parents far beyond what is required due to this.

prestolondon · 05/10/2024 22:50

One can easily argue that Private school parents should receive £7,000 per child due to not taking up a state place. Not to mention tax breaks. That would not be popular at all, but they could argue that they deserve it

EasternStandard · 05/10/2024 22:51

Another76543 · 05/10/2024 22:15

It should be stopped altogether. They are being warned about the unintended consequences from many parties (including the unions). It isn’t even going to raise a decent amount of tax. It could actually produce a net loss. Why are the Labour Party so blind to the negative effects and so insistent on pushing ahead? It’s because it has nothing to do with economics and everything to do with spiteful hatred.

Yes hopefully

qwertyasdfgzxcv · 05/10/2024 22:51

Interesting that state some new state schools are choosing to emulate the independents in name. We had one open up which included the prep in the name eg Village name Prep school. Many people realise that many independents get a lot of things right. Possibly because they work in a market system where the customers can leave if they are dissatisfied but it is good to keep the bar high. Damage the independent sector and it won't return and the bar will be lowered.

qwertyasdfgzxcv · 05/10/2024 22:53

Yes one minister spoke in a debate about how her daughter looked longingly out over an independent school's playing field and said it wasn't fair and her mum, the MP agreed - it isn't fair - that's why she wants the policy to go ahead. Some people have something she doesn't have so let's take it away. Spite

thatsmytie · 05/10/2024 22:53

She has also posted on Twix and is getting hammered. Rightfully so as her post was nasty, spiteful, class war stuff.

Wow - she is getting absolutely slaughtered on that post!

prestolondon · 05/10/2024 22:58

qwertyasdfgzxcv · 05/10/2024 22:53

Yes one minister spoke in a debate about how her daughter looked longingly out over an independent school's playing field and said it wasn't fair and her mum, the MP agreed - it isn't fair - that's why she wants the policy to go ahead. Some people have something she doesn't have so let's take it away. Spite

This is why they are doing it. It is an easy popular thing for the vast majority that don’t have it, so let’s be envious.

thatsmytie · 05/10/2024 22:58

Do you have a screenshot for those of us not on please?
Even if you support the policy, the way they have approached it seems to be yet another example of their political inexperience.

Doubts grow over Labour’s VAT plan for private schools
IVFmumoftwo · 05/10/2024 23:00

qwertyasdfgzxcv · 05/10/2024 22:48

Didi mum is the truly entitled one here. Not sure how you think it is right for a private school parent to pay tax towards state education, pay for their child's schooling and then be asked to pay an additional tax.

Have to say, it would be much better if education was means tested.

Hopefully I will soon be taking a place in an excellent state school. Wasn't planning to before this but not going to do private secondary now.

This policy removes choice within education. Such a shame

You could just use state? 🤷

NeverHadHaveHas · 05/10/2024 23:01

She’s having a new arse hole torn in the comments on X

Blanketyre · 05/10/2024 23:02

NeverHadHaveHas · 05/10/2024 23:01

She’s having a new arse hole torn in the comments on X

Yes I'm actually quite shocked.
I haven't been on Twix for years - she would have had a lot more support 10 years ago.

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Bellaboo568 · 05/10/2024 23:04

qwertyasdfgzxcv · 05/10/2024 22:48

Didi mum is the truly entitled one here. Not sure how you think it is right for a private school parent to pay tax towards state education, pay for their child's schooling and then be asked to pay an additional tax.

Have to say, it would be much better if education was means tested.

Hopefully I will soon be taking a place in an excellent state school. Wasn't planning to before this but not going to do private secondary now.

This policy removes choice within education. Such a shame

Yep - so virtuous in claiming a state funded benefit even though she can easily afford not to and then taking the moral high ground by expecting someone else who doesn't claim the benefit to fund it for her. The world has gone mad!!

IMustDoMoreExercise · 05/10/2024 23:05

Didimum · 05/10/2024 22:08

Only someone truly up their own arse can think this is politics of envy. We can easily afford private school and choose not to, as do many of our friends and family. We all agree with the policy.

Well I bet you are able to afford a house near a good school so why would you pay for a private school?

I feel sorry for all the poor kids who will now not be able to go to a good school because the parents priced out of private education will buy all the houses near the good schools and will reduce the catchment area

But you don't care about them as long as your kids are ok do you?

SmallestMan · 05/10/2024 23:05

It is a gimmick policy that has just fed politics of envy. There was no actual progressive educational policy stated by Labour in the election run up, they were just happy to make a populist issue their statement on education. The only way to actually improve the state system is for people to pay more tax and ringfence it. Legal challenges can run for years.

EasternStandard · 05/10/2024 23:07

Boohoo76 · 05/10/2024 22:26

Great, you’ll be happy to pay more tax to educate your own kids then rather than expecting other people to pay for them.

This

Bunnycat101 · 05/10/2024 23:08

Her quote was foolish and plays into class war etc. she’ll know full well the embossed paper and polls are not every private school and the schools affected most will be the less prestigious smaller ones.

The likes of eton can charge what they want because of the very wealthy families but even somewhere like Cranleigh which is nearly as expensive is not passing on full vat. So there’s a good chance that the government won’t get as much money as projected as schools will not all pass on 20% and some will be able to claim back lots of money for capital projects.

Regardless of views on the policy, they were foolish and reckless to implement it mid-academic year in January without the guidance and detail to back it up now. Schools are having to make decisions re what to pass on without full guidance on the fiscal rules they’ll have to follow. They could have easily provided a transition period until next September that would have given much more stability and certainty to everyone - not least the state schools who’ll be getting new pupils mid academic year in greater numbers than normal.

Didimum · 05/10/2024 23:08

Boohoo76 · 05/10/2024 22:26

Great, you’ll be happy to pay more tax to educate your own kids then rather than expecting other people to pay for them.

I would be happy to pay more yes – thanks for checking. My tax also pays for many state and council services that private school kids and their parents benefit from, so let’s not start making silly statements about that.

Didimum · 05/10/2024 23:09

EasternStandard · 05/10/2024 23:07

This

I am happy to pay more tax if the nation requires it. Try scoring another point elsewhere.

Relliketh · 05/10/2024 23:11

If you really want to increase funding why increase it from general taxation.

Labraradabrador · 05/10/2024 23:11

thatsmytie · 05/10/2024 22:58

Do you have a screenshot for those of us not on please?
Even if you support the policy, the way they have approached it seems to be yet another example of their political inexperience.

Wow, that’s awful. The ‘our children need’ like kids in private schools aren’t also our children.

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