So if your friend lost 5 stone in 6 months .. would you wonder how ?

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Just inquisitive.. my best friend has always been obese. About 22 stone. I have worried about her health silently for a very long time.. she started Mountjaro in April and is now 14 st. I am completely thrilled for her . Her blood pressure is now 'upper' but not ' see your healthcare provider' .. her heart 'murmurs' have ceased.. I am worried that when she come to the end of her treatment she's will just gain it all again. It is without a miraculous drug.. she has struggled to afford...she is incredibly good with money and financially planned every inch of her journey so that her treatment equalled less than her cost of food consumption.. but only in the short term ( she planned 8 months but goal in 6)

My AIBU is ..I see the amazing difference , she is so happy for the first time in a long time after years of weight watchers, slimming world, Cambridge diet.. low carb, NHS gastric band..(15 years ago which helped but only ever got her to 16 stone before piling it back on) .. she has found one of the Mountjaro providers who will prescribe a maintenance dose...

But she can't afford it long term. It will be £189 per month without a discount.. AIBU to say I can pay this for her. She is my very best friend . I love her new found sense of self confidence.. and don't want it to go.. the money is not an issue for me . I am extremely comfortable and struggle to spend. However would love to help someone I love very much.

Just for complete transparency I had crept over into 'unhealthy' zone as also had osteoporosis in knees. Also took Mountjaro for 2 months and know how incredible it is. I have kept it off for 5 months without a maintenance dose .. it just reinforced healthy eating recipes for me . . But I haven't been morbidly obese

Why don't you . I am sure you can make a fortune from your "no need for vaccines" diet....

If it was me/if I was her - I would say no. I would find ANY friend offering me nearly £200 a month for nothing really unsettling. Something just wouldn't sit right with me about it. It's just a bit weird. It can't just be me who thinks this!

Based on your last post though, some obese people also didn't get covid. Does that mean their diet also gave them some sort of improved immunity?

Some people do, some don't. I've done loads of big and small things for people (including strangers) for no reason at all. I've equally accepted favours from others (not the same people) when I feel I needed it. Some people don't need a reward or ulterior motive to do things for people.

In what world does 22-14=5?

What would I think?
People spend their money in all sorts of ways I don't want or need to. Nothing to do with me if they spend their money this way as long as it's legally gained & spent money & doesn't involve harming others.

Gift idea
I guess you'd have to talk with her pretty openly about if you expect something in return ... I mean, what if she wastes your gift? Gains weight all back... is that ok? You need to make a big space for whatever to happen.

It's generous of you but gifts like that can change friendships. Not risk free.

You don’t actually know that.

I know people who haven’t known they had it until they tested. One was testing for a holiday and found out she had it. No symptoms. Unless you have been testing every week for almost 5 years you might not know.

Let’s go back to your study of one. Do you have a DH? That is home with teenager while you work away? I assume he also takes on the majority of housework? Dual income household?

So your whole argument about you being able to do so others should when I pointed out that many people don’t have the money or time to eat locally seasonally produced food, doesn’t make sense.

Neither does the whole thing about people having time either. You have one older child. And work away. So do you own a second property that you live in so you can go shopping and cook all your own sesonal locally sourced produce? Or do you spend a lot on food cooked for you.

Do you see what I am saying about it not being a level playing field? About how your study of one has no impact.

Because YOU have time and can afford locally grown and seasonal and high quality protein doesn’t mean that everyone can. Because people have different lives, different disposable incomes and so on.Your life isn’t the same as a single parent on a low income with 2 kids is it?

Sounds like an ad.

As someone who is in a similar situation as your friend I think you are amazing ! I’ve lost 3 stone on Mounjaro with another 2 to go . I’m looking and feeling so much better . It’s now got to the stage it’s getting more expensive on the higher dose but I’m going to afford it whatever . I’m not rich but have a part time job and husband is the main earner so my wages cover it . I’m not left with a great amount after but the happiness is worth it . I’m hoping to carry on with a maintenance dose once I lose what I want to . I think your friend will jump at the chance. Maybe you could offer to subsidise her funds , and say you’ve seen her change and are very proud of what she has achieved and you’d like to help . Just be totally honest with her . It’s easy for those without a weight problem to understand how the medication works, it really is a game changer , I’ve been doing diets for years and nothing has helped as much as this. My GP is happy for me to take it and is also monitoring me . Hopefully it will eventually get prescribed , my GP said there are plans to but it’s the funding on the NHS . It’s perfectly safe to take . I’ve actually got good eating habits as I’ve trained myself to get into a healthy eating pattern , much easier when you are not always starving !

Mounjaro list of side effects include acute organ failure and cancer.

I think it would be kind of you, but for your own sake I think you should cap it - for example, for a year. Unless you're super rich you will have your own expenses and commitments as like goes on

I tried one of those treatments for a while, I stopped not only because of the cost, but it completely changed my brain to not being bothered about eating if I didn't have anything in, and I was able to last on a latte sachet until mid afternoon when I'd eventually eat. Everything internally slowed down and I was getting uncomfortable indigestion even in the morning. I eventually decided it wasn't a healthy way to lose weight, so I stopped.

Side effects of Obesity are acute organ failure and cancer.

Yes people know. Though as above some of the thyroid cancer increased risk is being challenged by new studies.

So does obesity. So if people want to make the decision that’s right for them, wether that is take it or not, it’s their business. Either or is a risk.

I can’t decide if it’s arrogance or ignorance that would have someone take their one, sole experience of life and be convinced the 1 in 8 people struggling with obesity globally should just do what she does. That’ll fix it.

It’s probably both.

How good is that for your brain though?

Oh, @ItTook9Years if only we could all be as perfectly well-regulated as you are! However, it seems that your perfect regulation came complete with an empathy bypass. Doesn’t it ever occur to you that if it was easy to lose weight and maintain weight loss we wouldn’t be in the midst of an obesity crisis? Why don’t you just stick to doing you and let other people do what works best for them without being burdened with your Ill-conceived judgements?

Exactly this.

And that's judgement just for taking it, never mind the shock and horror if they think she's putting too much of her budget into it because they know she can't afford it.

Yes I know that logical fallacy very well it's called false equivalency. Unfortunately it makes little sense. The fact remains that the injection is very dangerous and can kill you. The long term effects of obesity are irrelevant.

Very dangerous? Please, share where you got this information from.

OP is most likely an ad.

Clickbait title that bears no relation to the content.
Posts are even more advertisement for the drug - both her friend and her lost weight in a short space of time with little effort.
'Amazing', 'incredible', 'new found sense of self confidence'
Both her friend and her did not have side effects.
Cost of the drug is 189 per month without discount (no doubt there will be a discount)
OP did not even need a maintenance dose.
So great she even wants to buy it for her friend.

What's not to like?

You really need to share your insider info on how it is very dangerous and can kill you with the MHRA who have authorised it as safe. You clearly know more than them.

The long term effects of obesity are very relevant when they have been proven to increase the risk of cancer in humans (not mice).

It is a very kind offer, I've paid for things for my bestie before when she was having a rough time and she had for me. If you can afford it, I would.

Why are you so bothered. Who cares what people think.
Leave her to it and stop obsessing about her life