To detest people that think they own beautiful parts of the world?

[Bumpitybumper]

I grew up in a very ugly and undesirable part of the country and now live in a tourist hotspot. I am becoming increasingly frustrated by people that are born and raised here trying to restrict tourism or stop 'outsiders' moving here. The houses are expensive here because it's such a lovely place to live but there isn't much employment except for from tourism. Despite this many locals that I know feel that tourism should be restricted as it makes the town extremely busy in high season. They also think housing should be subsidised for locals.

I feel that there are only so many beautiful places and those lucky enough to be born in them are no more entitled to live and enjoy them than the rest of us who by luck were born elsewhere. This would effectively condemn future people like me to live and visit only the less desirable of areas whilst my children could stay in this lovely area and be subsidised for doing so. It just feels incredibly unfair!

Your dramatic is my realism, you have no idea about hill farming and how peoples lives are all about their stock and farming. You only have to go back to the foot and mouth outbreak to see what the loss of stock did. Many farmers committee suicide. For many they never recovered in numerous ways. But now it is all so easy to say rewilding should happen, people should eat less meat, farmers in beautiful areas are priviledged and rich. Such simple words with no understanding of the effects it would really have on farming communities.

To bring the point back to tourism, for many farmers it is tourism which enabled them to continue after foot and mouth whilst dealing with the length of time it takes to recreate herds and flocks. Hefting doesn't happen overnight, yet it can be destroyed overnight.

If farmers sold property to incomers at high prices - was that wrong in order to economically survive?

everyone in this country to have an equal opportunity
Such bullshit. You forgot to add 'if they can afford it'

@Bumpitybumper don't need to tantrum to get what I want as I already have it. I live in a beautiful area and enjoy it everyday. I will fight for everyone in this country to have an equal opportunity to live somewhere lovely irrespective of where they happen to have been born.

Ffs, that’s the complete opposite of what you’re arguing. Equal opportunity only exists in your world if you have the money to make it so. Money might make the world go round but those who know the price of everything and the value of nothing are poorer than they will ever know.

Yes, it's been an ongoing problem here for a long time. Most of my friends were forced to move far away. Those who remain are in their parents' homes. It's normal here in London for middle-aged people to live with their parents.

Where else do you get them

What a pleasant way to start a response.

Am I from the other end that you are from. I moved out of my "beautiful area" because people like you moved in to it and raised the house prices, complained about the local factories, farms, workforce and doing their best to shutdown the local economy.

Now I listen to those self same people whinging about how the town is either dying or dead.

So congratulations you and your type got exactly what you wanted, to move in and keep a lovely little area of beauty.

You can also look forward to your kids moving away and not coming back because they can't afford to.

Welcome to the reality that you have created.

Or the reality that your greedy local neighbours caused?

Come on, you know that’s not the point they were trying to make. As they clearly say, the infrastructure can’t manage the demand to the point that it’s detrimental/ dangerous.

Edinburgh is the same during August where you have people getting turfed out of properties so that landlords can rent out at massively inflated prices for the festival, roads and public spaces are closed, the bus network falls to pieces etc. There needs to be balance.

These areas can't become museums and monuments to the past. And yet you want them to 're'wild - i.e. return to some putative natural past state, while denying a livelihood to people who farm there. Your arguments are so full of holes. It's such a colonial mindset - ignore or disparage local culture, think it's fine to dispossess people who you think can just move elsewhere, think that you're entitled to live wherever you want, that it should be returned to some Edenic state just to suit your particular aesthetic tastes and all the while denying other people's feelings as valid - even detestable. Ugh.

I think there is a difference between someone who wants to move to a beautiful part of the country to live and work, compared to someone who wants to buy a house as a second home or to rent out to holiday makers. Where there is a shortage of housing I think that people who work/live there should be prioritised for housing. That doesn't necessarily mean that they have to have been born there.

How do you prioritise for housing exactly? Are you suggesting locals need to sell their homes cheaply?

@YogaBearBasket low income for a lot of people all farming and tourism which is low paid seasonal work. Prices have been pushed up. Many were cash buyers. At one point my newly divorced friend was trying to buy a house, the EA said about 80% of buyers were from London. Also buying to AirBnB smaller houses and cottages.

I agree and it's not difficult to have local rules that stop a house being used for holiday lets, although it's not so easy to enforce.

As for the people who say "well people don't want to stay in hotels". This is mainly because of dog ownership.

I don't think the fact that people (who own or rent a house elsewhere, but have somewhere to live, anyway) want to go on holiday with their dogs and therefore stay in a house outweighs someone else's right to a home.

The regulations you talk about are already in place in some areas and are enforced.

It is not just dog owners who prefer cottages and it is not dog owners who stop people being able to buy houses!

I'd rather stay in a cottage than a hotel because I like the extra space and having a kitchen. I have young kids. Id be just as happy in an apart-hotel.or a lodge though. A hotel room is no place for a family. No privacy, no facilities.

Why do you think that it was the "greedy local neighbours"?
Where I lived it was the fuckwit developer who got the contract by saying that they would be providing low cost housing for the local workforce and then sold them to the Londoners that wanted to retire.

Where I live it is illegal to offer accommodation without possessing a hostel license, which is a really big process involving regular inspections, proper wiring and facilities, earthquake proofing and evacuation signage and much, much more etc. so AirBnB ends up being just the odd place, not hollowing out neighborhoods. It is however much much easier to build hotels and new houses than in the UK. Making it easier to build in attractive places and improving public transport plus restricting visitor cars would help in such locations.

Is this not reflective of the world we live in these days though? How many youngsters who have just passed their test in the last couple of years are driving round in new cars? Mine was a 13 year old banger. Finance schemes these days are much more common than they used to be. How many change the phones and gadgets in our continually changing world? Everything is instant these days. People who save up for something are in the minority. Many just get what they want when they want due to the availability of credit. There are about 4 families in my road with adult kids living at home. It would be a safe bet that they'd say they can't afford to move out. They all have cars less than 2 years old. Nearly all of them newer than their parents' cars.
So having to move to an area you can afford and work your way up to the nicer areas which is what used to happen when they can have pretty much everything else is going to seem so much harder.

I'm so pleased that our culture and dialect are offensive to you. Maybe we should ban anything from our heritage and make everything like England. We'd have to rename anything in Kernewek and translate it into English. Lots of St Piran flags to remove and the 5th March will have to become an ordinary day.

We've already got for some insane reason got Greggs popping up, next start putting the cream on first? We're proud of our Celtic roots down here, the English tried to eradicate our way of life previously and we shouldn't still be fighting.

I hate to break it to you but the Cornish are part of "the English". In fact you're probably "Englisher" than London considering all the immigration we have here.

As for the people who say "well people don't want to stay in hotels". This is mainly because of dog ownership.
I don't have a dog and I prefer self-catering to hotels or B&Bs. I hate being restricted to one room and not being able to just knock up a bit of toast if I fancy it. And I've had my fill of B&B hosts, who if you're lucky are just eccentric but more often seem to have a bit of a dictator complex.

My part of Zone 2 London. Shopkeepers all look out for each other and for customers. If I have a cash card issue or forget my wallet, at least a couple of local food shops just wave me off and say I can pay next time. I have several neighbours who hold a spare set of my keys and vice versa. There's a well-functioning FB group for recommendations/help/lost pets etc. Tons of community events, generally volunteer-led or -run. There was lots of mutual support in the pandemic; people getting shopping for those who were shielding etc.

Yes, I agree.

I was born and grew up in West London and South London and I couldn't afford to live there after graduating despite having a job in London. My DH was born on Camden and grew up in North London and Oxford. He likes watching these expensive property sales programmes and I find it shocking that properties in Westminster for example are only owned by foreign investors that don't live in them. In the 00s with better jobs we could eventually afford to rent in Westminster but there is no way that could happen now and we are considerably wealthier than those times. Where we live now is similarly going the way of London and it is frankly shocking that these seafront properties are just bought up by foreign investors and left empty or air fucking BNBs when there is such a problem with lack of affordable homes in our current city by the sea. There are 90,000 air BNBs in London, why don't we go the way of Amsterdam, what's the issue when there is so much poverty caused by affordable housing.

Hotel rooms are fun for families, we love em

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