To detest people that think they own beautiful parts of the world?

[Bumpitybumper]

I grew up in a very ugly and undesirable part of the country and now live in a tourist hotspot. I am becoming increasingly frustrated by people that are born and raised here trying to restrict tourism or stop 'outsiders' moving here. The houses are expensive here because it's such a lovely place to live but there isn't much employment except for from tourism. Despite this many locals that I know feel that tourism should be restricted as it makes the town extremely busy in high season. They also think housing should be subsidised for locals.

I feel that there are only so many beautiful places and those lucky enough to be born in them are no more entitled to live and enjoy them than the rest of us who by luck were born elsewhere. This would effectively condemn future people like me to live and visit only the less desirable of areas whilst my children could stay in this lovely area and be subsidised for doing so. It just feels incredibly unfair!

I think you are showing your true colours now.

Agreed. I won’t visit Cornwall again after their attitude then. Which I think will please them. Don’t they call visitors Emmets?

I am not the one who is dividing the world by whether an enterprise is economically viable. it is our capitalist society that we are all a part of. Love it or loathe it, this is reality.

A farmer or a fisherman is a business person. are you suggesting otherwise? Do you think they are a charity or social enterprise?

‘My village and nearby villages are full of my parents, aunties, uncles, cousins, and my husband's too’

These villages sound like somewhere where inbreeding is rife and strangers are not welcome. No thanks!

And what are my true colours? I literally don't feel especially strongly either way about farming. It is a random tangent this thread has gone on. I simply don't think farmers or anyone else should be able to ring fence areas because they happen to currently occupy them. Judging by Labour's plans to remove the reliefs on family farms then I am not alone in thinking that family farms should always be exempt from the rules that apply to everyone else.

Seriously. Talk about completely missing the point. I never said farming is wholly good.

Funny how sustainability is championed as a virtue in case it interrupts her consumption of pretty countryside but the sustainability of local cultures is scoffed at. Completely entitled and selfish. And pretty telling that she characterises her home place as a shithole partly because of migrants being 'dumped' there while advocating for her own mobility, despite clearly dumping on the feelings of local people.

Most people accept they can't always get what they want by the time they're 5, perpetuating this whiney 'not fair they were born somewhere nice' toddlerdom into adulthood is so unseemly.

The more I read of your posts the sadder I feel. It sound like you have no love of your community and people in it. Hill farming is a part of what makes the countryside look like it does and is a part of my heritage (I am personally not a farmer, but grew up in a farming community). You are coming across as entitled, because you have money. Have some empathy for others, just as I have tried to shown for people who have moved into my community.

Not sure I agree. I used to live in a tourist hotspot, my parents still live there and my gran lived there. I now live nearby.

Due to wealthier people moving here or buying second homes here, thus driving up house prices, young families are priced out and have to move away from their support network, jobs, families, friends. There are no rentals because every rental is an air bnb or holiday rental.

In holiday season the small supermarket is wiped by midmorning. My poor gran used to try to get up the street for 9am to make sure she could get milk! Obviously this was difficult for her. We did shopping for her but she understandably wanted to retain independence.

Parking was ridiculous - tourists parking over driveways was a huge issue.

I’m sure all of this has been said already, I haven’t read the full thread. But I think it’s really naive to say that property is simply expensive because it’s a pretty place to live, it’s a lot more nuanced than that and it’s understandable that some are angered by the issue.

It's not the only reality though, it is? What about planning? What about the regulation of housing? As well as a capitalist world we live in a designed world where policies that favour sustainable community life have a place in many many countries.

Exactly. If always amuses me that actually the issue is with greedy ‘locals’ selling to ‘outsiders’ at inflated rates rather than to those in their communities.

Why did your neighbours sell to Londoners rather than choose someone local?

Fact check:
I didn't call my home town a shit hole
I didn't say migrants had done anything detrimental to the town. So many on this thread have banged on about preserving the local culture in these pretty places and the importance of this as if the culture of these places is superior to the culture of places like my hometown. I happen to think the migrants have enriched the culture of my hometown and people like me have enhanced the culture in the place I currently live. Change and diversity isn't a bad thing and cultures can adapt. Don't you dare paint me as some xenophobe when nothing I have posted indicates this!

I don't need to tantrum to get what I want as I already have it. I live in a beautiful area and enjoy it everyday. I will fight for everyone in this country to have an equal opportunity to live somewhere lovely irrespective of where they happen to have been born.

I love lots of people in my community. The community isn't one homogenous mass who all want outsiders banned and local people prioritised.

Farming is controversial and really a subject for another thread. Farming has shaped our countryside but it would also be beautiful if nature were to take over.

Do you generally have a parochial outlook on life?

Well maybe all the Londoners will stop moving to your towns and buying up the property when everyone stops moving to London and buying the property there! We have exactly the same issue.

Do you ever go on holiday to well-known places? Do sight-seeing? Or are you Not Like Other Tourists and just go travelling in undiscovered places ;-)?

And then who would produce our food? Or do you want to rely on overseas imports which have a much higher environmental cost?
You are obviously someone who views the countryside as a picture postcard amusement centre rather than a working environment.

Why do your greedy neighbours choose to sell to twats rather than locals?

Again, why do people in your community sell to Londoners rather than locals? It’s not compulsory.

That and Instagram - every sodding tourist wants to do the same as eleven billion other tourists in Scotland which is Edinburgh - Glencoe - Skye - Inverness - Edinburgh and nowhere else gets a look in. They are a bit like sheep.

Good job you aren’t a sheep. No tourists ever go to Fuertaventura 😂

I agree. You can’t own an area. And most people I know left the area they were born in to find better jobs. You don’t have a right to live where you were born

"Farming is controversial and really a subject for another thread. Farming has shaped our countryside but it would also be beautiful if nature were to take over"

@Bumpitybumper Your comment above shows your naivety - rural areas and farming are totally linked, and your suggestion that farming areas are left to let nature take over confirms it. Back to the upland areas of the UK, what would they look like if there were no sheep on them - totally overgrown with bracken, totally inaccessible and not viable for anything other than to be "beautiful" to people like you who think farming is controversial. You would sacrifice people lives, generations and jobs, traditions and cultures - but maybe that is what you really want.

Biodiversity is important. Rewilding is important. You dismiss this so easily and call me naive. The arguments are complex and nuanced but it certainly isn't just about somewhere just looking beautiful. this is hugely subjective!

I wouldn't sacrifice people's lives. Stop being so dramatic! Farmers with an unviable business don't die. Their children will go on to do other things. The world doesn't end. New traditions will be made and cultures will adapt. These areas can't become museums and monuments to the past.

Yes. This is a very superficial and disconnected view of rural areas. A place that should be pristine and aesthetically pleasing for those who can afford to live there, rather than being the home and workplace of many.

This is true my DC in their 20s, graduates working in healthcare can't afford to buy in London where they were brought up.
Property prices have been inflated by foreign investors buying up huge swathes of central London and quite often leaving these properties empty. If they aren't living here then they're contributing to the local economy either. Maybe foreign nationals shouldn't be permitted to buy property in the UK? Not sure what the solution is. Definitely increase council tax on unoccupied property. However wealthy foreign nationals probably would be bothered by that because they can afford it.