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To not want to teach

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idontwanttoteach · 30/09/2024 18:59

This is probably going to be a frustrating thread because there’s literally no way around it, I sort of have to teach because it’s the only thing I’ve done and the only thing I can earn the amount I do and plus the holidays (have young children) and so on.

But. I. Do. Not. Want. To. Teach.

I know about the FB group by the way but there’s no real feasible alternative for me at the moment.

OP posts:
BadSkiingMum · 02/10/2024 06:51

ToD101 · 01/10/2024 16:28

Have you looked on local county council sites for teaching jobs that aren't school-based? They usually come under the "normal" job search, so along with other council roles. I'm a peripatetic Teacher of Deaf Children and Young People. I visit children in schools who have a hearing loss, advise staff on reasonable adjustments, do language interventions 1:1, lead INSET sessions, attend annual reviews etc.

I have no displays to do, don't have to be at school for 8am, can do online meetings and PPA from home, only ever work with 1 student at a time, no big loads of marking, no sitting in assemblies, no playground duty, no data-driven performance management etc. A couple of days a week my first visit of the day is 9:30 so I can do the school run.

I do have to write reports, do paperwork, language assessments, email schools, ring parents etc. but it comes with far, far less pressures.

And the best thing? UPS3, plus SEN points, Burgundy Book and all the school holidays.

I had no SEN training before starting the job and work paid for me to do my mandatory qualification.

There are other advisory teachers, not just ToDs.

Your job sounds fab and with teachers’ pay and conditions too!

But I haven’t seen anything like this advertised for years. I think many LAs have long since done away with advisory or specialist teachers, plus academies having their own arrangements will have had a knock on effect on these posts.

AlertCat · 02/10/2024 06:55

Move into SLT 😬

Ilovelurchers · 02/10/2024 07:04

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/10/2024 13:25

Most teachers don’t want to be there though.

I was a teacher for 25 years. I didn’t know anyone who wanted to keep on doing it.

Edited

Some of us do! I love my job as a middle leader in a large secondary in an area of high deprivation .

The kids are challenging but that's OK, we can deal with it because the systems are good, and there is a strong sense of shared moral purpose.

OP have you considered changing schools? Different schools can offer a very different experience for staff - I was pretty unhappy in my previous role, and thinking of quitting - now my work is a genuine pleasure, though the school on paper is "more challenging".

Do you still enjoy the core things, like being with kids in the classroom? If one could ignore the admin and hoop jumping shit?

ToD101 · 02/10/2024 10:47

BadSkiingMum · 02/10/2024 06:51

Your job sounds fab and with teachers’ pay and conditions too!

But I haven’t seen anything like this advertised for years. I think many LAs have long since done away with advisory or specialist teachers, plus academies having their own arrangements will have had a knock on effect on these posts.

Specialist teachers like ToDs are centrally funded. Many councils still employ them and they visit academies and LA schools alike.

Nannyoggapple · 02/10/2024 10:51

goodluckbinbin · 30/09/2024 19:05

Get an exit strategy. No child deserves to taught by someone who doesn't want to be there. Loads of alternative in the private sector for teachers though the benefits and pensions etc aren't any where near as good, generally.

"No child deserves to be taught by someone who doesn't want to be there"

I don't think many teachers hate the actual teaching.

It's the "giving you more tasks than you are possibly ever able to complete in a 24 hour day".

That people hate. Oh and the bullying and lack of respect too

Nannyoggapple · 02/10/2024 10:53

I worked in further education.

I was teaching 18 -20 year olds.

I've never been as stressed in my life.

They didn't provide enough learning materials so I was up all night and early mornings preparing them

Then I was teaching for five hours a day non stop.

Then in the evening at home I was completing millions of othe bits of paperwork.

It's non stop and it's not sustainable. People have breakdowns

Redlocks30 · 02/10/2024 10:56

No child deserves to be taught by someone who doesn't want to be there

Is it only teachers who should love their jobs?

Are we bothered with dentists who don’t want to be at work? Computer programmers? Paediatric doctors? Traffic wardens?

Onemoreterm · 02/10/2024 11:18

I fell out of love with teaching in schools ground down by the relentless cycle and SLT mission creep with the constant added extras because it is good for the students’. School need to bring in outside club providers/support/trip organisers to sort out the extra provision.

I felt I couldn’t do another year even though I was consistently in one of the three best performing teachers with exam results. I loved teaching my subject but it is all the other stuff that got in the way.

Now ex-teacher.

cardibach · 02/10/2024 11:28

Ilovelurchers · 02/10/2024 07:04

Some of us do! I love my job as a middle leader in a large secondary in an area of high deprivation .

The kids are challenging but that's OK, we can deal with it because the systems are good, and there is a strong sense of shared moral purpose.

OP have you considered changing schools? Different schools can offer a very different experience for staff - I was pretty unhappy in my previous role, and thinking of quitting - now my work is a genuine pleasure, though the school on paper is "more challenging".

Do you still enjoy the core things, like being with kids in the classroom? If one could ignore the admin and hoop jumping shit?

One can’t ignore the admin and hoop jumping shit though. And it takes up more and more time, so if you like the classroom and want to do that well your hours increase and increase and increase. Teaching is great. Being a teacher? Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. And yes, I treid different schools. Cities, areas of deprivation, rural schools, independent schools. It’s the job now.

Onand · 02/10/2024 11:41

I think my DP is realising it’s actually the job itself and the change in behavioural traits of kids and parents today. He left his last school after years of being unhappy a mountains of pressure to go to ‘a great school’ where he could finally just teach, his enthusiasm has since waned, hopefully he’ll get his mojo back…

Redlocks30 · 02/10/2024 11:49

cardibach · 02/10/2024 11:28

One can’t ignore the admin and hoop jumping shit though. And it takes up more and more time, so if you like the classroom and want to do that well your hours increase and increase and increase. Teaching is great. Being a teacher? Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. And yes, I treid different schools. Cities, areas of deprivation, rural schools, independent schools. It’s the job now.

I agree. It gets to the point where you are wishing away the classroom bit (the nice bit, with the children) in order to get to 3.30 so you can even begin to make a START on all the hoop jumping, because that’s the bit that SLT are baying for your blood over!

There is way way too much paperwork and pointless expectation now to be able to even manage, let alone be good at.

Another huge issue is the expectation that ‘inclusion’ is possible for all pupils, regardless of their level of need, and if you can’t cope-well, you just aren’t providing High Quality Teaching.

It starts off ok-if you have 29 keen, well-behaved pupils, you can manage one pupil say, with ASD who takes up 10% of your time. You can still probably manage if your TAs are all made redundant because of the budget-it’s much harder and the expectations that you still get every child to meet their targets obviously doesn’t change. You can probably still manage when you have 25 children with no additional needs and 5 with SEN-it’s a lot more differentiation (sorry, adaptation!) needed and you still have no TA, but it’s hard-really hard, when nothing else can ‘give’-you still have learning walks, observations to pass, deep dives and Ofsted to prepare for, book scrutinies and IEPs to write and do. But there comes a tipping point-the old boiling frog analogy-where you can’t do it all. A child starts your class in nappies-you still have no TA and have to manage that yourself. They need you to give Movicol twice a day…ok. They are non-verbal and dysregulated a lot of the time-the SENCo is gathering evidence for a needs assessment but they are taking months and you know at the end, they won’t get full time funding. You then get another consultation for a new student for your class-they are PEG fed and need a hoist to get in and out of any equipment and their EHC plan says they have 16 hours a week of support. What will happen the other 16 hours of the week when it’s just you in there?! What will you do with your 5 SEN, your pupil in nappies who runs away when unsupported, oh-and your other 25 pupils who frankly are getting fed up of never having any of your attention!?

You might just about be able to hold together what is happening in your classroom. They might not be getting the best experience in the world, but you’re keeping those plates spinning (yes, you are now on anti-depressants and your husband has left you) but the whole school expectations don’t stop…

Monday morning briefing…’Oh, remember, there’s a staff meeting you need to take after school, and are you sorted for the school trip on Wednesday-have you done the risk assessment and got enough helpers? Plus obviously Thursday’s parents meeting, can you get your books ready for a book scrutiny for SLT for Friday first things, and also take Friday’s assembly-can your class just do a song? Data is due on Friday after school, don’t forget! Next week is observations-we aren’t sure which day yet, so be prepared! That will feed into your PMR-we’ll take in your subject folder as well-you are maths, history, phonics and PSHE again this year, yes? Have a fab week!’

LewishamMumNow · 02/10/2024 11:52

Have you thought about trying to get a job in a teaching union? They would welcome your background and you'd earn similar and maybe more for a totally non-teaching role. The TUC have a website for all union jobs. Don't turn your nose up at fixed term ones - they usually last a lot longer and it's a way in.

Elizabeth110100 · 02/10/2024 13:04

Redlocks30 · 02/10/2024 11:49

I agree. It gets to the point where you are wishing away the classroom bit (the nice bit, with the children) in order to get to 3.30 so you can even begin to make a START on all the hoop jumping, because that’s the bit that SLT are baying for your blood over!

There is way way too much paperwork and pointless expectation now to be able to even manage, let alone be good at.

Another huge issue is the expectation that ‘inclusion’ is possible for all pupils, regardless of their level of need, and if you can’t cope-well, you just aren’t providing High Quality Teaching.

It starts off ok-if you have 29 keen, well-behaved pupils, you can manage one pupil say, with ASD who takes up 10% of your time. You can still probably manage if your TAs are all made redundant because of the budget-it’s much harder and the expectations that you still get every child to meet their targets obviously doesn’t change. You can probably still manage when you have 25 children with no additional needs and 5 with SEN-it’s a lot more differentiation (sorry, adaptation!) needed and you still have no TA, but it’s hard-really hard, when nothing else can ‘give’-you still have learning walks, observations to pass, deep dives and Ofsted to prepare for, book scrutinies and IEPs to write and do. But there comes a tipping point-the old boiling frog analogy-where you can’t do it all. A child starts your class in nappies-you still have no TA and have to manage that yourself. They need you to give Movicol twice a day…ok. They are non-verbal and dysregulated a lot of the time-the SENCo is gathering evidence for a needs assessment but they are taking months and you know at the end, they won’t get full time funding. You then get another consultation for a new student for your class-they are PEG fed and need a hoist to get in and out of any equipment and their EHC plan says they have 16 hours a week of support. What will happen the other 16 hours of the week when it’s just you in there?! What will you do with your 5 SEN, your pupil in nappies who runs away when unsupported, oh-and your other 25 pupils who frankly are getting fed up of never having any of your attention!?

You might just about be able to hold together what is happening in your classroom. They might not be getting the best experience in the world, but you’re keeping those plates spinning (yes, you are now on anti-depressants and your husband has left you) but the whole school expectations don’t stop…

Monday morning briefing…’Oh, remember, there’s a staff meeting you need to take after school, and are you sorted for the school trip on Wednesday-have you done the risk assessment and got enough helpers? Plus obviously Thursday’s parents meeting, can you get your books ready for a book scrutiny for SLT for Friday first things, and also take Friday’s assembly-can your class just do a song? Data is due on Friday after school, don’t forget! Next week is observations-we aren’t sure which day yet, so be prepared! That will feed into your PMR-we’ll take in your subject folder as well-you are maths, history, phonics and PSHE again this year, yes? Have a fab week!’

I have quoted this post (sorry, I know it annoys people) but I think it needs to be read again by everyone who thinks teachers should stop the whining and get on with the job.
I have been a teacher for 15 years. I love the job but it's a lot more than being in the classroom. The pressure is immense. And it seems to have got a lot harder in the last few years.

Redlocks30 · 02/10/2024 13:20

but I think it needs to be read again by everyone who thinks teachers should stop the whining and get on with the job.

I forgot to even mention that-it can be the icing on the cake.

People (often the media/MPs, nearly always non-teachers) telling you that not only do teachers have it really easy…excellent ‘family-friendly’ job/9-3 working days/endless paid holidays/gold-plated pension (if you can manage to slog your guts out full time until 67 without being put in capability and managed out) but when you make any sort of comment about it being hard/nothing like when you started, come in with the

-and there we go, all teachers do is moan!

-it’s you whinging that’s the problem! You are putting people off and if you stopped with that, there wouldn’t be a recruitment problem!

Elizabeth110100 · 02/10/2024 16:05

Quite.

Of all the people who I am still in contact with from my teaching degree, only 3 are still teaching. And one of them is leaving at Easter.
Retaining teachers is incredibly difficult because the working conditions are so very difficult. The job is becoming more and more challenging and complex every year.

I am now about to sit in a staff meeting that will last an hour and tonight I will be working until I go to bed. Very family-friendly.

Milkandacookie · 02/10/2024 18:19

I've just looked at am early help role at 29k but out of the frying pan and a huge pay drop....

OhDearMuriel · 02/10/2024 18:24

Please leave teaching.

Children deserve a lot more than someone who hates it and only stays for the money and long holidays.

Milkandacookie · 02/10/2024 18:26

Ah yes. The thing is as you might see teachers tend to love teaching. It's all the other stuff that's the nightmare (see previous amazing reposted post)

Children definitely deserve a better deal than they get now. This is why teachers have tried over and over again to beg for reform and even on threads on mumsnet. They're not listened to.
Now teachers are leaving. In droves.

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 02/10/2024 19:15

ANightingaleSang · 30/09/2024 20:03

@Mynameistallullah
Business Analyst
Virtual Assistant
Personal Training
Content Writing
HR roles
Education Liaison
Corporate Learning and Development
Publishing
Project Management
IT jobs eg. Networking & switching
Career Advisor (at a college for example)
Pharmacy

There are so many options

Sorry but I think that's incredibly naive...you have to actually have relevant qualifications and experience to gains role in one of these areas...

Nannyoggapple · 02/10/2024 19:20

Milkandacookie · 02/10/2024 18:19

I've just looked at am early help role at 29k but out of the frying pan and a huge pay drop....

Wow you must be making loads.

29k is a very good wage.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 02/10/2024 19:26

goodluckbinbin · 30/09/2024 19:05

Get an exit strategy. No child deserves to taught by someone who doesn't want to be there. Loads of alternative in the private sector for teachers though the benefits and pensions etc aren't any where near as good, generally.

Sorry but that's completely unrealistic. 40,000 teachers left the profession last year. There will be many, many more who feel like the OP. Firstly, children need a teacher in front of them, full stop. Secondly, it's perfectly possible to still be good at something when you actually don't want to be doing it.

I sympathise, OP. I'm in my early 50s and have been a teacher for 30 years. I was so ready to chuck the towel in (and even potentially earn peanuts), but then I found a great school. I enjoy teaching again!

Milkandacookie · 02/10/2024 19:27

£29 isn't loads for a graduate who has been working for 20years. See so many threads on here! The role only wants a c in English gcse and relevant experience.

For reference minimum wage is about £23. A nurse starting salary at 21 years old is £29 and will go up, a social worker starting at 21, years old starts in £35k.
And yes I've dropped down from £44 (any teacher with 5+ years experience)

Out of interest @Nannyoggapple what do you think a graduate professional with considerable experience should be being paid?

ANightingaleSang · 02/10/2024 19:29

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 02/10/2024 19:15

Sorry but I think that's incredibly naive...you have to actually have relevant qualifications and experience to gains role in one of these areas...

No, you really don't. I suggested these roles for precisely that reason, at the very least you need very basic qualifications which take a few months to complete (you pay to take the exam and can study for it from a textbook in your own time). Recruiters may ask for a degree in any discipline so the OP ticks that box and furthermore would have many desirable and transferable skills. I made a transition into some of these roles at various points in my life, so am speaking from experience. Take it or leave it.

Milkandacookie · 02/10/2024 19:31

Thankyou @ANightingaleSang I will have a proper look as t that list at the weekend and do some googling :)

HelloWorldItsNiceToMeetYou · 02/10/2024 19:32

ANightingaleSang · 02/10/2024 19:29

No, you really don't. I suggested these roles for precisely that reason, at the very least you need very basic qualifications which take a few months to complete (you pay to take the exam and can study for it from a textbook in your own time). Recruiters may ask for a degree in any discipline so the OP ticks that box and furthermore would have many desirable and transferable skills. I made a transition into some of these roles at various points in my life, so am speaking from experience. Take it or leave it.

Which if those jobs have you personal experience of? I am honestly not convinced you could work in HR, project management or IT without relevant qualifications and experience.