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Do Europeans hate the Brits?

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Floofydawg · 24/09/2024 15:31

We're in Spain at the minute and have encountered some pretty hostile behaviour. Not so much from the Spanish, as we speak the language, but from other Europeans. We've been coming here many years and I've never before encountered such hostility. It got me thinking, do many Europeans dislike the Brits?

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Floofydawg · 26/09/2024 17:26

Well this has escalated somewhat. I don't think I've ever started a thread that completely filled up!

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LoyalMember · 26/09/2024 17:26

Goldenbear · 26/09/2024 13:48

I've also had some temporary jobs working on a factory where people decided to fire air rifles at their colleagues for a laugh at lunchtime and was a barperson for a long time and had to deal with a few fights when left on my own in the graveyard shift. This was actually in Cornwall were tough people exist.

😂

NPET · 26/09/2024 17:30

Sunraysunday · 24/09/2024 15:49

If you’re Irish you’re not a Brit?

Not sure if you're being funny. But I don't think Irish ppl would like to be questioned on this. Great Britain is England Scotland and Wales.

CherryValley5 · 26/09/2024 17:33

NPET · 26/09/2024 17:30

Not sure if you're being funny. But I don't think Irish ppl would like to be questioned on this. Great Britain is England Scotland and Wales.

Well.. I’m Northern Irish and hold a British passport, same with approximately half of the country.

mirrensidhe · 26/09/2024 17:37

Floofydawg · 26/09/2024 17:26

Well this has escalated somewhat. I don't think I've ever started a thread that completely filled up!

and you forgot to put up a vote goddammit

NPET · 26/09/2024 17:47

CherryValley5 · 26/09/2024 17:33

Well.. I’m Northern Irish and hold a British passport, same with approximately half of the country.

Well maybe I'm wrong, but I was taught that Northern Ireland is in the United Kingdom, but not in Great Britain.

CherryValley5 · 26/09/2024 17:52

NPET · 26/09/2024 17:47

Well maybe I'm wrong, but I was taught that Northern Ireland is in the United Kingdom, but not in Great Britain.

The full name is Great Britain & Northern Ireland, as it says on passports. Almost half of NI identify as British.

Slidesclipsandbobbins · 26/09/2024 17:53

NPET · 26/09/2024 17:47

Well maybe I'm wrong, but I was taught that Northern Ireland is in the United Kingdom, but not in Great Britain.

Yes, that's true, but there's no other word to collectively describe the people of the UK other than British.

Slidesclipsandbobbins · 26/09/2024 17:53

NPET · 26/09/2024 17:47

Well maybe I'm wrong, but I was taught that Northern Ireland is in the United Kingdom, but not in Great Britain.

Yes, that's true, but there's no other word to collectively describe the people of the UK other than British.

Slidesclipsandbobbins · 26/09/2024 17:56

People of NI have a choice to be Irish or British or both ...though it's complicated.

Demonhunter · 26/09/2024 18:42

ATenShun · 26/09/2024 16:43

I disagree. I'm a Scot and can put on the 'pipe down' voice when I need to. Any good people manager will tell you, the best people to quieten an escalating situation are more softly spoken. A burly aggressive guy gets all the wind taken out his sails when it is a 5'2 polite reasonable sounding woman speaking. He cannot get more aggressive without looking like a knob.

That's fine to disagree, in most scenarios you're correct, calm and soft can diffuse a situation better. In the context I'm speaking of, it didn't, so loud, firm and brining out the accent is what did. Once people were on the back foot knowing they couldn't speak to you in a disgusting way or grab at you or scream in your face, you could then have a more pleasant interaction. For whatever reason, hearing certain voices had more of an effect at doing that than others did. That was just how it was, and to be honest it did set people at a disadvantage for the kind of places they were put to work, when all they wanted was a lovely, no problem, quieter place, not somewhere that appeared on Holidays from Hell!

This was something that was discussed by higher management based on years of feedback and observations, as was my main comment of which accents worked better with which demographic. It wasn't something they plucked from thin air, it was through decades of feedback, reports, sales figures and higher management observation. In fact, when Direct Holidays (Scottish based) and Panorama (Irish based) started to merge with Airtours and Aspro, and for a while, they were all still seen as separate entities. Direct Holidays requested Scottish reps where possible for their predominant properties and Panorama requested either Irish, Scottish or Northern as their client base was Irish. This is just what happened, whether right or wrong, that's just how it was because that's what worked. Accent bias and preconceptions exist, whether rightly or wrongly, and so when needed, you have to work that to your advantage.

NPET · 26/09/2024 23:52

CherryValley5 · 26/09/2024 17:52

The full name is Great Britain & Northern Ireland, as it says on passports. Almost half of NI identify as British.

That's right - United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Anyway this started because somebody asked whether the Irish were British, and of course ppl in the Republic of Ireland (Eire) definitely aren't.

Slidesclipsandbobbins · 27/09/2024 00:56

@NPET I hate to say it but many Irish people tend not to like the name Éire used in English , though it's obviously totally fine if it's Irish that's being spoken. Definitely not Eire. There are historical reasons for this (and fadas are important also) . So it's Ireland aka ROI. It can get confusing that the island and the country have the same name all right.

DonnaHadDee · 27/09/2024 03:20

There is a lot of variation within Europe. But overall, I often get the feeling that Germans and French don't especially like us. There is a lot of history. But so what? I doesn't bother me. Frankly, I'd not be happy living in either of those countries :)

But seriously, one reason to dislike us is in relation to our football supporters. DH is keen supporter of one English team frequently in European competitions, and sometimes to England games. I'll also go to some games too, and there is significant minority that create a REALLY bad impression, when the majority are in fact OK. We have a bad reputation in that area, it's fully well deserved and been in issue for decades at this point.

AgentJohnson · 27/09/2024 06:15

So you experienced hostility in Spain and you’ve extrapolated that to mean all Europeans. I have lived in ‘Europe’ for over twenty years and I’ve never felt any hostility, the opposite in fact, there’s definitely a level of Anglophilia here in the west of the Netherlands.

theDudesmummy · 27/09/2024 08:32

When I said that we got more positive responses in Croatia after we changed our number plate to Irish I didn't mean that anyone was hostile to us when we still had a UK plate, it was more (after 2016) a sense of bewilderment and pity. So no, they didn't "hate" us, in answer to the original OP. We did get definite positive remarks in the couple of years after changing though.

Floofydawg · 27/09/2024 08:38

AgentJohnson · 27/09/2024 06:15

So you experienced hostility in Spain and you’ve extrapolated that to mean all Europeans. I have lived in ‘Europe’ for over twenty years and I’ve never felt any hostility, the opposite in fact, there’s definitely a level of Anglophilia here in the west of the Netherlands.

Well no, I didn't extrapolate it. I was just asking the question.

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Grammarnut · 27/09/2024 14:40

Pearlgemspark · 24/09/2024 15:47

That was a nasty post.
How is that relevant to what the OP asked?
She said "do many Europeans dislike the British".
And you said, "well they treat me well because I'm Irish."

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Which answered the question. Europeans do not like the English (but are fine with Scots, Welsh and Irish - I have been treated better in Ireland once I mention my Irish surname!). I think many young British people behave badly abroad, getting drunk etc. (the locals do the same but they live there!). It used to be that the British wanted stereotypically British food e.g. a full English breakfast, but not so much now. Along with USians many Europeans equate English as meaning British, and the Scots, Welsh, Irish are a different lot of people.

Somanypiessolittletime · 27/09/2024 14:56

. "Europeans do not like the English (but are fine with Scots, Welsh and Irish"
This is such a nasty post. And it's not true. Maybe YOU don't like the English but you don't speak for all Europeans.

GoingForALongWalk · 27/09/2024 15:20

Grammarnut · 27/09/2024 14:40

Which answered the question. Europeans do not like the English (but are fine with Scots, Welsh and Irish - I have been treated better in Ireland once I mention my Irish surname!). I think many young British people behave badly abroad, getting drunk etc. (the locals do the same but they live there!). It used to be that the British wanted stereotypically British food e.g. a full English breakfast, but not so much now. Along with USians many Europeans equate English as meaning British, and the Scots, Welsh, Irish are a different lot of people.

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Some serious projection going on here. It sounds like you have a nasty chip on your shoulder.

Calliecarpa · 27/09/2024 16:24

Why is it that people here feel so free to make such wild generalisations? 'Europeans do not like the English'? How many hundreds of millions of Europeans are there? And every single one of them dislikes English people? FFS, such idiocy.

HotPipe · 27/09/2024 16:37

theDudesmummy · 27/09/2024 08:32

When I said that we got more positive responses in Croatia after we changed our number plate to Irish I didn't mean that anyone was hostile to us when we still had a UK plate, it was more (after 2016) a sense of bewilderment and pity. So no, they didn't "hate" us, in answer to the original OP. We did get definite positive remarks in the couple of years after changing though.

Do you think it was because you was still sore after Brexit that you projected your views and, of course, they were compelled to treat you kindly. Most people are polite.

Mabelthebore · 27/09/2024 16:48

Grammarnut · 27/09/2024 14:40

Which answered the question. Europeans do not like the English (but are fine with Scots, Welsh and Irish - I have been treated better in Ireland once I mention my Irish surname!). I think many young British people behave badly abroad, getting drunk etc. (the locals do the same but they live there!). It used to be that the British wanted stereotypically British food e.g. a full English breakfast, but not so much now. Along with USians many Europeans equate English as meaning British, and the Scots, Welsh, Irish are a different lot of people.

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I'm Irish and I don't agree with this. I don't think all Europeans dislike all English people at all. I imagine that most Europeans don't really think about it and just take people as they come.
Yes there are bad English tourists but there are also bad Irish/Scottish/Welsh/NI tourists too. Obviously with a bigger population the English ones will be more visible.
From my experience of travelling I have had a warm reception from lots of people when they find out I am Irish but no one has been actively rude to me when they assume I am British, as they usually do.
As for getting a warmer reception in Ireland when you have an Irish name, Irish people love to find connections and will always try to link you with someone they know with the same surname or from the same place.

TrishM80 · 27/09/2024 17:00

I guess if I was a local in Magaluf or Ayia Napa I'd be sick to the gills of all tourists regardless of where they came from, purely by nature of the type of tourists those areas attract (loud, boozy etc). But by dint of population English tourists to those resorts vastly outnumber Scottish, Irish, Welsh, so it stands to reason why locals there would have a generally negative impression of "the English".

I hope the locals in the quieter more family-disposed resorts are a more positive view of tourists, but who knows, they might be sick of the sight of them too!

UBIA · 27/09/2024 17:17

No "Europeans" do not hate anyone. Who are these "Europeans" anyway - it's a whole continent ffs. What a ridiculous thread. Anywhere you go there are all types of people and nobody cares about this nonsense.

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