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AIBU to worry about telling colleagues that I’m going to Israel?

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Doubtfulso · 24/09/2024 13:41

I’ve got a close friends wedding in Israel in 2 months and I am a bridesmaid. She is Israeli and so of course having her wedding in her home country.

I need to book the time off work now, and I work in the kind of company where everyone asks where you’re going or where you’ve been when you book leave.

there’s a lot of anger and strong feelings against Israel at the moment, and I’m worried that colleagues will turn against me or start treating me different when they know that I’m going to Israel.

would I be unreasonable to lie and tell them I’m going somewhere else, or should I be honest?

OP posts:
RedHotWings · 25/09/2024 13:41

Wasityoubecayse · 25/09/2024 13:39

When I meet a person like you, I imagine standing up straight looking into what I imagine your face looks like and saying clearly, I'm not afraid to speak, I'm not afraid to question, I'm not afraid to think, and I am not afraid of you.

Edited

You should maybe re-evaluate as I am clearly part of the worldwide Zionist/Israel/Jewish lobby that controls the world

Wasityoubecayse · 25/09/2024 13:46

RedHotWings · 25/09/2024 13:41

You should maybe re-evaluate as I am clearly part of the worldwide Zionist/Israel/Jewish lobby that controls the world

As a person of Jewish heritage, askenzi at that. I'm aware of all user names for my people, you didn't make the cut.

State the tropes

ChallahPlaiter · 25/09/2024 14:04

Wasityoubecayse · 25/09/2024 13:46

As a person of Jewish heritage, askenzi at that. I'm aware of all user names for my people, you didn't make the cut.

State the tropes

Oh the irony is amazing!

SophiaCohle · 25/09/2024 14:07

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 25/09/2024 10:08

If you are going to Israel at the moment, whether to tell other people is the least of your worries, I should say.

I have to agree with this. If you're planning to go in two months it may be academic though, as events may well have escalated to a point where you have no choice but to cancel your plans.

Grammarnut · 25/09/2024 22:15

Rosscameasdoody · 24/09/2024 19:02

To be clear. Genocide. The deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. So attempted. And like it or not, what’s going on in Gaza has the same feel.

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Until I got to the end of your post I thought you meant 7th Oct. That was genocide. The Gazans who cheered as the bodies of rape victims were paraded through their streets are getting retribution.

Grammarnut · 25/09/2024 22:31

Rosscameasdoody · 24/09/2024 18:49

There is a documentary entitled ‘Hebron’ on YouTube. If you don’t believe that Israel is operating an apartheid system, watch it, and then decide.

Who made the documentary and who paid for it? Those are pertinent points to take into account during and after watching it, I think.

Wasityoubecayse · 25/09/2024 22:46

Grammarnut · 25/09/2024 22:15

Until I got to the end of your post I thought you meant 7th Oct. That was genocide. The Gazans who cheered as the bodies of rape victims were paraded through their streets are getting retribution.

No thats terror.

  1. Hamas wants to commit genocide they state this openly.
  2. The right of israel and current government appears to be carrying out a genocide.
  3. Same political gigures signed off on forced sterlisation of ethiopean jews.
  4. Did you know this c9nflict has been running for mpre then 2350 years ( roughly conflict before this but nation states still forming.
  5. I never spend this long on a thread dont know why this irks me.

Last post.

ASongOfRiceAndPeas · 25/09/2024 23:15

Saltedbutter · 24/09/2024 13:59

If I’m being honest I’d judge you slightly (and silently) for attending but understand your reasons. If you were going for a holiday I’d expect a much stronger reaction from your colleagues.
If anybody gives you shit, go to HR.

This is my take but also if I were OP I actually wouldn’t go. Safety, personal beliefs, whichever reason - you’d be more than entitled to choose not to attend.

Doubtfulso · 25/09/2024 23:53

I will be attending, so long as my flight isn’t cancelled. That’s not up for discussion.

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ChirrupItMightNotHappen · 26/09/2024 05:59

Doubtfulso · 25/09/2024 23:53

I will be attending, so long as my flight isn’t cancelled. That’s not up for discussion.

Are you scared at all? Esp given current events? Is your family worried about you going? This is nothing to do with your OP I know. I am just interested.

Doubtfulso · 26/09/2024 08:28

ChirrupItMightNotHappen · 26/09/2024 05:59

Are you scared at all? Esp given current events? Is your family worried about you going? This is nothing to do with your OP I know. I am just interested.

Slightly worried, but I’ve been to Israel numerous times before, including at times when it has been under missile attack from Hamas (which has been near continuous for the last 10 years).

my hotel has a bomb shelter, as does the wedding venue, so I’ll be cautious.

I have no children or dependents, so the risk is mine to take.

OP posts:
ChirrupItMightNotHappen · 26/09/2024 09:08

Doubtfulso · 26/09/2024 08:28

Slightly worried, but I’ve been to Israel numerous times before, including at times when it has been under missile attack from Hamas (which has been near continuous for the last 10 years).

my hotel has a bomb shelter, as does the wedding venue, so I’ll be cautious.

I have no children or dependents, so the risk is mine to take.

Ah ok thanks. Hope you have an amazing trip.

Grammarnut · 26/09/2024 10:30

Wasityoubecayse · 25/09/2024 22:46

No thats terror.

  1. Hamas wants to commit genocide they state this openly.
  2. The right of israel and current government appears to be carrying out a genocide.
  3. Same political gigures signed off on forced sterlisation of ethiopean jews.
  4. Did you know this c9nflict has been running for mpre then 2350 years ( roughly conflict before this but nation states still forming.
  5. I never spend this long on a thread dont know why this irks me.

Last post.

This particular area of conflict has gone on since 1948, and the current war since the genocide of 7th Oct. That's not anywhere near 2350 years. The Palestinians are not the Philistines or the Romans, or the Babylonians. They originate in the invaders/colonists who moved into the Levant c. 700 AD, bringing the new religion of Islam with them. They were there to conquer by the sword - jihad - and have now removed most other religions from the area, although the Copts are persecuted still (they speak the original language of Ancient Egypt and are Catholic-style Christians i.e. not Protestants).

All Hamas had to do is give back the hostages in one piece and unharmed. Which they cannot do because they have raped and killed and tortured them. Hamas are terrorists. The Israeli state leaves much to be desired but they do not sponsor terrorism.
All Palestinians have to do is accept that the land they were living on in 1948 was not Palestine, it was the fag-end of the Ottoman Empire under a UK mandate, and the UN (not the UK) designated some part of it as a homeland for Jews. Countries do not stay in the same hands in perpetuity - otherwise the UK would have a very good claim to more than half of France - I am not in favour of reigniting the Hundred Years War.

Wasityoubecayse · 26/09/2024 14:17

Grammarnut · 26/09/2024 10:30

This particular area of conflict has gone on since 1948, and the current war since the genocide of 7th Oct. That's not anywhere near 2350 years. The Palestinians are not the Philistines or the Romans, or the Babylonians. They originate in the invaders/colonists who moved into the Levant c. 700 AD, bringing the new religion of Islam with them. They were there to conquer by the sword - jihad - and have now removed most other religions from the area, although the Copts are persecuted still (they speak the original language of Ancient Egypt and are Catholic-style Christians i.e. not Protestants).

All Hamas had to do is give back the hostages in one piece and unharmed. Which they cannot do because they have raped and killed and tortured them. Hamas are terrorists. The Israeli state leaves much to be desired but they do not sponsor terrorism.
All Palestinians have to do is accept that the land they were living on in 1948 was not Palestine, it was the fag-end of the Ottoman Empire under a UK mandate, and the UN (not the UK) designated some part of it as a homeland for Jews. Countries do not stay in the same hands in perpetuity - otherwise the UK would have a very good claim to more than half of France - I am not in favour of reigniting the Hundred Years War.

From now on any post that touches on history ill tag ypu, bloody good reposte.

Scirocco · 26/09/2024 14:41

For clarity, @Grammarnut , Jihad means to strive or exert oneself, and is used primarily in Islam to refer to making an effort for the sake of one's faith. Many Muslims regard this as having 2 categories: the greater jihad and the lesser jihad.

The greater jihad refers to a person's inner efforts to regulate their own impulses and urges. The lesser jihad refers to interacting with the external world, practising and living in accordance with a person's values and contributing to building a positive society. It can be sub-divided into the jihad of the pen (communication, peaceful interactions with others) and the jihad of the sword (resistance, including armed resistance, in order to safeguard people in need and/or who are being oppressed).

Wasityoubecayse · 26/09/2024 14:42

Oy vey to rebutt you id have to put in work. But points are fair but mis my point to say israel is a democratic state that shares the same social rights and wrongs as us is just not true. So from this distance the only thing that becomes clear is how terrible people can be and thst for millenia un thst specfic region there has been cinstant conflict that has cimplex polit8cal social and regligious themes. Rather then tiying tge problem to a time take a broader view, its more then the people id wager a guess, its something in the soil. On a more neuetral point untill people of the middle east see all people of the middle east as people there wont be peace.

SHellPower · 26/09/2024 14:47

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Ah no i get the point dyslexic didnt spell check. On this ocassion........

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