No clutching of pearls comments

[Tiredallthetimeneedsleep]

Not wanting to offend
Just interested in the facts please.
Are trans women that have NOT undergone surgical ( transformation?) more likely to offend against women that were born female? Or not?
Again - not wanting to offend - just wanting hard facts. Thank you

Wow. Does anything further really need to be said on this matter? TWAW my arse.

Oh don't be ridiculous. Do you read the news?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42221629

Fairly good statistical report from the BBC which might be worth a read.

In answer to the OP's question, my assumption would be that it would be more common for a trans-identifying male who hasn't undergone surgery to assault a "cis" woman than one who has, as:

a) He still has a penis to use in the assault;
b) Testosterone levels would be higher (happy to be corrected here);
c) He is more likely to be in the category of men who just put on a dress and claim to be a woman and I suspect this category includes more AGPs etc.

But I could be wrong.

Edit: I appear to be having difficulty spelling "assault" this evening.

There is not enough evidence to get any "hard facts" All you will get is overwrought panicked assumptions.

Let’s be honest op, logically the answer is probably yes. Are men more likely to commit sexual offences? Yes. Are trans women who haven’t undergone physical transition, I.e men, more likely to commit sexual offences? Yes. Are tw who HAVE undergone physical transition, I.e also men, more likely to commit sexual offences? Also yes.

^^ and they should bloody know

@Tiredallthetimeneedsleep maybe looking at stats where men commit sexual violence against women and then claim trans status would be a good place to start as these have already committed the crimes. It seems that they still commit the crimes except they now have a load of victims conveniently penned up with them.

Ministry of Justice figures indicate that more than 70% of trans prisoners are in jail for sexual offences:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/24/government-figures-70-per-cent-of-transgender-prisoners-are/

The same MoJ figures (which are constantly changing as prison populations change quickly) indicated that transwomen (men who identify as women) are as likely to commit sexual offences as any other male. Ie, transitioning doesn't stop men offending.

Figures from the census indicate that males who identify as trans are five times more likely than other males to be imprisoned for sexual offences. See Sex Matters on the subject:

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/what-did-we-learn-from-the-census/

Here are the facts OP: https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/

The BBC don't tend to be neutral on this topic. From the article:

The MoJ can't count inmates who have not told prison staff they are transgender.

Nor does it count prisoners who have already been given a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC).

So any transwomen prisoners who have a GRC will be counted as women in the stats, making the stats an underestimate, and fairly pointless. Because males with a piece of paper (which the government want to make easier to get)will be counted as female no matter what body modifications they may or may not have. You don't need any body modifications to get a GRC.

@Pandasnacks
'Rape' doesn't require a penis, women can rape men.

Legally: There is, in fact, a specific offence of 'sexual assault by penetration', which can be committed by both men and women. That offence also carries a life sentence, but it is separate and distinct to the offence of rape.

According to the law, only a biological man can commit the offence of rape.
The legal definition of rape is when a person intentionally penetrates another's vagina, anus or mouth with a penis,

Which begs the question: how can a man who identifies as a woman be referred to as 'she' and 'her' in a rape trial??

Are you seriously suggesting all of these things are equally likely?

@thursdaymurderclub no love, you've got muddled up. Men attack men at the highest rate, then men attack women it is not an up for grabs equal opportunities thing.

Presumably because, as Ricky Gervais says, it's "her" penis.

But it really isn't a laughing matter, and it's disgusting that women are being forced to refer to their attacker as "her" in rape trials. The sooner this madness stops the better.

I knew there was a reason I can't stand Ricky Gervais.

Do you actually have any statistical evidence to back up this assumption?

@niadainud But it really isn't a laughing matter, and it's disgusting that women are being forced to refer to their attacker as "her" in rape trials. The sooner this madness stops the better.

Exactly!
............ But why haven't the solicitors in these trials said this?? Rape is a male crime

I'm not a fan of his either, but to clarifiy, the "her penis" joke is definitely making the point that intact males should not be sharing public toilets with women.

@niadainud Presumably because, as Ricky Gervais says, it's "her" penis.

@StarSlinger I knew there was a reason I can't stand Ricky Gervais.

I actually think he was trying to show the absurdity of it all by using humour?

So the stats show that Transwomen and men share the same stats for bring criminals.

Transwomen do not offend at the lower rate at which women offend.

He's an arsehole. Needs a bandwagon to jump on to stay current.

Yes, exactly.

Regardless of what surgery they have had “trans women” remain male. As a population, males are far more likely than females to be perpetrators of sexual violence.

As well as increased propensity for sexual violence, males who have gone through puberty will also (regardless of any adult hormone treatment or surgery) retain strength advantages throughout their lives giving them enhanced ability to subdue female victims.

@StarSlinger He's an arsehole. Needs a bandwagon to jump on to stay current.

I've never particularly liked Ricky Gervais - always thought he was a bit of an arrogant twat tbh! - but I've got to admit that, on the subject of trans women he is absolutely spot on.
I personally don't care if he's 'jumping on a bandwagon' - he's raising awareness through the most effective medium i.e. humour

Go Ricky! 😆