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Family member awarded enhanced pip - AIBU?

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Orangecrocs · 19/09/2024 15:42

My family member has just been awarded enhanced pip in both living and mobility components.
Shes told me that she’s twisted the truth during the assessment and told the assessor that she has lots of pain and can’t really walk at all, but she walks all the time as I see her out and about - we live in a hilly area. I know people who are in a wheelchair and struggle to get enhanced rate - so I really don’t understand how she’s managed this.
I know people will say mind your own business but she’s told me she’s actually lied to them.

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OhmygodDont · 19/09/2024 17:43

nextdoornightmares · 19/09/2024 17:41

And how exactly do you propose these benefits are paid then? How will people pay their bills? Mortgages? Childcare? Food shopping? Leisure activities? Because people on benefits are allowed to have extra left over and are allowed to spend it however they like without having to justify it to anybody.

Tut tut benefit claimants shouldn’t be able to have a mortgage silly billy. Or Leisure activities.

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 17:43

x2boys · 19/09/2024 17:38

Because they don't run a business?

They receive Government money which should be able to be accounted for to stop abuse of the system.

LadyKenya · 19/09/2024 17:43

PandoraSox · 19/09/2024 16:25

In reality, plenty of people are exaggerating symptoms, just like your family member

Do you have any evidence to back this up?

Only what the milkman told her.

nextdoornightmares · 19/09/2024 17:44

OhmygodDont · 19/09/2024 17:43

Tut tut benefit claimants shouldn’t be able to have a mortgage silly billy. Or Leisure activities.

Edited

Of course. Silly me. I should really call the DWP and ask how I repay any surplus money I have left each month 😂

Daltonbear1 · 19/09/2024 17:44

Waitinggame42023 · 19/09/2024 17:37

Absolutely this. I used to work in what is now the DWP, and I'm close to a fair few people who still work there. One of whom works in Fraud and Error.

The amount of fraud cases currently being investigated is staggering, totalling well over £1 billion since Covid. Fraud prevention has been so under-resourced for so long, it's crazy. A couple of years ago, the government panicked and started recruiting in to Fraud investigations, but it's never going to be enough.

The government is understandably reluctant to admit to letting taxpayer cash (money that should those truly in need) be abused in this way, so figures given to the public are only on those they've bothered to bring to justice. In the same way NHS stats are often censored and manipulated- but we can generally see through that.

I'm always shocked that people can be so naive. The result of blindly defaulting to 'benefits claimants never do anything wrong' is that money is haemorrhaging out to people who do not need it, and away from those who do.

I suspect I wouldn't be believed if I gave some examples on here of the things I saw when working as a Work Coach. There's none as blind as those who will not see.

Yes fraud happens and as a work coach sure you must have reported the ones commiting it I always find with work coaches you have the decent ones and then you have the Hitler types the power trippers. Work coaches do naff all finding folks jobs nowadays so tgere is that. If we gonna crack down on fraud let’s take all them covid contracts from the tories first as they are worth loads more.
what we need are people turning up and I don’t have a prob checking I live in my flat I do know of folks that have council flats and don’t live there that would help the housing as they use it so they can claim single allowances . I don’t know them personally but you can tell they don’t live in these flats . Housing officers should be knocking and checking but they don’t.

Zanatdy · 19/09/2024 17:45

People will say you’re BU but I know loads of people who have lied to get PIP. One claiming he could hardly walk and was going ski-ing every weekend in winter. And yes I know this as he told me. No I wouldn’t report him, but he should he careful who he tells as if I was scamming benefits I wouldn’t be telling a soul

OhmygodDont · 19/09/2024 17:45

nextdoornightmares · 19/09/2024 17:44

Of course. Silly me. I should really call the DWP and ask how I repay any surplus money I have left each month 😂

Don’t you dare have a car either!!

nextdoornightmares · 19/09/2024 17:46

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 17:41

It is accountable.

It would stop huge sums of cash being debited and spent or sent abroad. Stopping cash on hand jobs too.

Why do you need cash anyway?

I pay all by bills and employees via bank transfer.

I am not talking about vouchers I am talking about accountability.

Edited

You do realise that PIP and UC are paid directly into the claimants bank account and not handed over as cash in an envelope...right??

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 17:47

nextdoornightmares · 19/09/2024 17:44

Of course. Silly me. I should really call the DWP and ask how I repay any surplus money I have left each month 😂

You could save it all up in a bank account and when you reach 16k you could come off benefits.

Trimalata · 19/09/2024 17:47

Well, I personally default to 'most of these stories are bollocks', because

-An acquaintance of mine had form for making up such tales, including the time she tried to do it to me based on assumptions she'd made about our lifestyle (DP worked from home before it was standard, I was a freelancing SAHM, we had a nice car, went on holidays and such). She didn't get very far because we didn't actually claim any benefits other than CB.

-A vile neighbour of my MIL, who managed to note every time she left the house to do something nice with her grandkids, but didn't bother counting the days she'd spend at home in absolute agony.

-A PIP tester who outright lied in the assessment for a cousin of mine who has severe learning disabilities, (claiming that she'd got the bus on her own, when my aunt was in the room with her etc. etc).

nextdoornightmares · 19/09/2024 17:47

OhmygodDont · 19/09/2024 17:45

Don’t you dare have a car either!!

I actually have 2...😯

Daltonbear1 · 19/09/2024 17:47

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 17:41

It is accountable.

It would stop huge sums of cash being debited and spent or sent abroad. Stopping cash on hand jobs too.

Why do you need cash anyway?

I pay all by bills and employees via bank transfer.

I am not talking about vouchers I am talking about accountability.

Edited

You do know we don’t get giros any more I pay my stuff by bank transfer or direct debit it goes in my bank account like you say it’s auditable they can see my bank statement if they wish

PandoraSox · 19/09/2024 17:48

nextdoornightmares · 19/09/2024 17:44

Of course. Silly me. I should really call the DWP and ask how I repay any surplus money I have left each month 😂

Shit. I spend some of my Carer's Allowance on wine. Will I go to jail?

For all those getting their hopes up that pesky disabled people will be paid in vouchers, I reckon you will be disappointed. One country, can't remember where off the top of my head, tried something similar and it was a failure.

OhmygodDont · 19/09/2024 17:48

nextdoornightmares · 19/09/2024 17:47

I actually have 2...😯

Now that’s just greedy.

Daltonbear1 · 19/09/2024 17:48

Zanatdy · 19/09/2024 17:45

People will say you’re BU but I know loads of people who have lied to get PIP. One claiming he could hardly walk and was going ski-ing every weekend in winter. And yes I know this as he told me. No I wouldn’t report him, but he should he careful who he tells as if I was scamming benefits I wouldn’t be telling a soul

Why wouldn’t you report him as you r part of the problem surely

PandoraSox · 19/09/2024 17:49

OhmygodDont · 19/09/2024 17:48

Now that’s just greedy.

No wonder the UK is on its knees, etc.

LadyKenya · 19/09/2024 17:49

DejaTu · 19/09/2024 16:34

Utterly reprehensible - it’s fraud.

There are deserving cases missing support because of people like this.

No it really is not. It is more down to the ineptitude of the assessors actually.

OhmygodDont · 19/09/2024 17:50

PandoraSox · 19/09/2024 17:48

Shit. I spend some of my Carer's Allowance on wine. Will I go to jail?

For all those getting their hopes up that pesky disabled people will be paid in vouchers, I reckon you will be disappointed. One country, can't remember where off the top of my head, tried something similar and it was a failure.

Well you cannot possibly be a career while under the influence tut tut. 🍷

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 17:50

Daltonbear1 · 19/09/2024 17:47

You do know we don’t get giros any more I pay my stuff by bank transfer or direct debit it goes in my bank account like you say it’s auditable they can see my bank statement if they wish

I believe they are already introducing access to all bank accounts now.

I am all for benefits I just believe more accountability of how the money is spent is needed.

nextdoornightmares · 19/09/2024 17:50

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 17:47

You could save it all up in a bank account and when you reach 16k you could come off benefits.

And swiftly have to go back on benefits again after 6 months when it's all gone? Go through all the health assessments and applications? No I'm alright thanks. I'll continue as I am legitimately claiming all that I am entitled to.

orangeleopard · 19/09/2024 17:50

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 17:34

A benefit debit card?

A benefit bank transfer?

The whole system needs changing.

I have a business bank account. Everything is accounted for.

Benefit claimants could have a benefit bank account and debit card and account for everything too.

Edited

So you’re saying that pip claimants would get pulled if god forbid they treated themselves to a few winter clothing items from an online shop. Or if a disabled person like me, who cannot leave my home often, god forbid I use some of my benefit money on paying for my Netflix so I have something to take my mind off of the pain. Disabled people are allowed to have ‘nice things’ - we shouldn’t have to live in poverty and as most of us have a short life expectancy and our disabilities will never improve (likely worsen), we shouldn’t spend our entire lives getting pulled up on what we’re spending our money on and being terrified if we spend our money on something we’d be deemed as we ‘shouldn’t’. Also, disabled people often get takeaways as they’re unable to cook for themselves - would this be seen as a ‘luxury’ and not allowed rather than a necessary purchase.

disabled people are people and should be treated like people, our lives are pretty awful - let us just live them

PandoraSox · 19/09/2024 17:50

One claiming he could hardly walk and was going ski-ing every weekend in winter

Report him to the Daily Mail. They love that sort of shit.

Daltonbear1 · 19/09/2024 17:51

PandoraSox · 19/09/2024 17:48

Shit. I spend some of my Carer's Allowance on wine. Will I go to jail?

For all those getting their hopes up that pesky disabled people will be paid in vouchers, I reckon you will be disappointed. One country, can't remember where off the top of my head, tried something similar and it was a failure.

I believe they give food stamps in America so you know people can tell that they r on benefits can you imagine that at the check out well I get mine delivered as my carers put it away I think some on here want that they want us all to be please sir can I have some more no you fucking can’t

Trimalata · 19/09/2024 17:51

20yearrenovation · 19/09/2024 17:50

I believe they are already introducing access to all bank accounts now.

I am all for benefits I just believe more accountability of how the money is spent is needed.

If it turns out that the disabled are spending all their money wisely, and its not enough to live off, we should give them more then, right?

Right?

Workhardcryharder · 19/09/2024 17:52

Tagyoureit · 19/09/2024 16:00

Shameful of her and this is why the country is on its knees, hand outs for those who don't need them.

Actually it’s the billions of pounds of tax the rich and big corporations manage to get out of paying. Not a few hundred quid a month for a select few