Teachers given lie-ins and extra days off

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The Guardian is reporting today that state schools are offering perks in an attempt to attract and retain teachers. These include lie-ins, whereby teachers will start later one day a week, a day off each fortnight and even the chance to work from home.

Clearly there is an issue with getting enough high-quality teachers into the profession and keeping them there. However, I’m not sure how these initiatives will go down with taxpayers on the back of successive teachers’ strikes, schools closing for months during lockdown and now inflation-busting pay rises.

Would you be happy with your DC’s teacher arriving to school late after a relaxing lie-in or logging on from home?

YABU- teachers deserve lie-ins
YANBU- teachers should be in class teaching DC

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And I’ve employed ex-teachers too. Always amazed at the responsibility they’ve had at an early stage in their careers. They are usually just grateful to get their evenings back.

So you're saying teachers have 15 hours to plan 22.5 hours of presentations? Having worked in both, I can confidently say no corporate setting delivers presentations at this level of efficiency. Indeed, in many it takes one person an afternoon to make one slide of a presentation that takes a whole team to produce! If we compare like for like - preparing presentations in both settings - teachers are preposterously more efficient.

Tell me you're a Daily Mail reader without telling me you're a Daily Mail reader.

I would like this because there might be a solider living near me and I would gain such enjoyment from watching him or her marching up and down.

As a taxpayer, don't I deserve that?

But wait, I'd only get to watch it because I am WFH... this has suddenly become a bit too complicated to work out, entitlement-wise.

What are you on about? Teachers plan at home as well, utter buffoonery on this thread.

I was going to explain a little bit about how much teachers put in but I won't bother. You are so far off the mark regarding teachers' time that educating you would take two life times. The fact that you think teachers turn up as kids come in and leave with them. Wow!

I gave up teaching when I was pregnant with my eldest daughter and I never returned. There just isn't any flexibility in teaching.

I was able to attend their primary school assemblies when they were little and other parents were there too because their offices allowed them to come in a bit late.

I remember saying at the time there was no way I would have been there if I was still working in a school.

Its click bait Bullshit.
This is a report by the charity teach first which is also struggling to meet quotas.
As far as I am aware only one school has offered a 9 day fortnight, and they seem to refuse to explain how it works.

How weirdly voyeuristic and misguided. I hope most people have better things to do with their time than check their neighbours' curtains in case they're working from home.
If you want to direct some ire at what your taxes are funding, check out the House of Lords or MPs expenses and holidays or the outsourcing of services to tory cronies during the last parliament.

“Not a good look” - I think this particular phrasing is really unpleasantly judgemental. I’m not a teacher, but my dm was. Part-time only, and I remember the long hours every evening and stress outside school. She retired almost two decades ago - things have only got harder for teachers since then.

What’s not a good look is trying to whip up righteous indignation about how a perk like a later start once a week is unacceptable slacking off. Instead of seeing it for what it is, a small, feasible step in the right direction of improving work-life balance for an over-pressurised profession and - bigger picture - a way of keeping more decent people in it for the benefit of all of us.

Hate the race to the bottom mentality.

Weirdest comment of the week? Do people actually notice other people's curtains? 😂

OP is clearly being antagonistic to start another teacher-bashing thread - could do with a bit more subtlety though.

Teaching recruitment is in utter crisis, professionals leaving in droves due to all the reasons I won't even bother to repeat, and this is a desperate attempt by some chains to make themselves that little bit more attractive.

I don't think it will work sadly. It's too far gone. Just means 9 even worse days as all the PPA is at once. For secondary it's much better spread out. Maybe for primary?

I leave mine closed so the room isn't roasting hot in summer and maintains the temperature in winter.

Nice to know you think curtains closed means anything other than the curtains are closed.

Maybe it just means starting work when they actually start teaching rather than 2 or 3 hours earlier like they usually do.

When the kids were at their old school one of the teachers lived near us they started work at 7am, so they could attend "staff meetings". He got the bus to work at the same time as my husband.

We have been on the same bus home with him after activities and he was rarely leaving school before 6 or 7pm. It was even later when they had parents evening, training and the various other after school stuff the school insisted on. We knew a different teacher going in the opposite direction at the same times so it's not just a personal choice he makes.

He was an amazing teacher who really cared about the kids but how can that really be sustainable to do that 4 or 5 days a week.

How would this even work? We are overstretched as it is. Who would
Cover form classes etc?

I wouldn't be a teacher even if they let me start at noon every day and gave me a £10k annual bonus with a company car so let them crack on.

Inflation busting payrise!! Blimey maybe thats because they were not paid enough to keep up with inflation for YEARS! they have been under valued and treated as such for years.
As for curtains being closed- do you like to stalk your children's teachers houses?? how bizarre!

we keep our blind closed to stop our dog barking at passing people when we are out! Heaven forbid. I didn't realise someone might be wondering why I was still in bed!

I am not a teacher by the way either.
You sound like a Tory plant, how embarrassing

As stated that leaves 17.5 hours to lesson plan etc on a 40 hour working week.

and mark.

You clearly think that’s adequate?!

How many years have you taught for, may I ask?

I’d be really interested to know what job the PP does and whether they would now consider joining us in teaching with all its holidays, early finishes, lie ins and wfh days.

I’m a special needs teacher and get a wfh day every fortnight to collaborate with a research hub. It’s changed my life. I still teach the same hours but the spark and motivation that just doing something different and a break from the relentlessness of the classroom is amazing for my career, family and mental health. I work in a great school.

Posts like this from people who have no idea about teaching don’t even annoy me any more, they just make me laugh with how ridiculous they are 😂 imagine thinking lessons are the only part of teaching there is

The teaching profession needs to compete with other industries to attract staff. Flexible working is a huge component in this.

Lie ins/days off - surely will be covered by other staff. It's not your child will be sat waiting in the classroom while teacher finishes watching Loose Women in bed.

WFH- fine for lesson prep, marking and other admin surely?

Our car park clears after school as the TAs and support staff leave.
I walk so no car.
Two other teachers walk.
Another teacher cycles.
Another uses e scooters or runs.
Another leaves early some days to walk to get her children from the child minder and then works in the evening.

Like I said, I don’t think we work the hardest at all. Only fuckwits who don’t listen and probably think they know about education because they went to school once think teachers can get away with being lazy shits.

Imagine how much more efficient their planning might be if instead of heading out the school at 4pm they used the 17.5 hours of pupil free time based on a 40 hour week in a nice quiet classroom.

I find it very strange that you're so concerned with other people's curtains/what they do in their own households - why does that even cross your mind?

Taxpayers will get better value for money with retained, experienced teachers, but this is decreasing due to so many leaving the profession and supply teachers taking over. These suggested initiatives may just ease the burden of teachers.

OP, it sounds like you care quite a lot to be honest. I'm not a teacher, but I'm a civil servant, and I have come across people who feel that I work for them, so they can call the shots, though never so far to the extent that they've told me that they monitor the time I open my bedroom curtains.

I usually thank them for paying taxes, as their taxes pay my wages, and tell them about my last holiday they helped to pay for.

The headlines are sensationalist (aren't they always?).
Of course this will be teacher's non-contact time which they already have anyway. Teachers already work for their money which I am sure you know.