Teachers given lie-ins and extra days off

[LaughingPig]

The Guardian is reporting today that state schools are offering perks in an attempt to attract and retain teachers. These include lie-ins, whereby teachers will start later one day a week, a day off each fortnight and even the chance to work from home.

Clearly there is an issue with getting enough high-quality teachers into the profession and keeping them there. However, I’m not sure how these initiatives will go down with taxpayers on the back of successive teachers’ strikes, schools closing for months during lockdown and now inflation-busting pay rises.

Would you be happy with your DC’s teacher arriving to school late after a relaxing lie-in or logging on from home?

YABU- teachers deserve lie-ins
YANBU- teachers should be in class teaching DC

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Are you suggesting I’ve made up the recruitment and retention crisis that’s been extensively reported in the national press and discussed by politicians? That it’s somehow only my opinion?
Are you saying you work in a school? Because apart from supply agencies, teacher recruitment is overwhelmingly done by the school who need to recruit - or a MAT I suppose. Supply is less of an issue for recruitment as so many teachers don’t want to work as teachers in permanent roles anymore. Though 8n many areas there’s a supply shortage too.

I’m sorry, but it’s clear you don’t fully understand the realities of being a teacher. It’s attitudes like yours that are driving so many dedicated educators out of the profession.

My partner is a teacher, and as I sit next to them while they plan lessons, it’s striking just how much time and effort goes into their work. Despite the fact that I earn four times more, they consistently work more hours than I do.

Allowing teachers to complete their PPA (planning, preparation, and assessment) from home would give them the flexibility to occasionally attend a doctor's appointment or be present for a child’s school event—without reducing their workload. Those hours still need to be done.

You don’t need to worry about whether taxpayers are getting their money’s worth. The teachers I know are incredibly dedicated professionals who pour their hearts into their work, often because they love what they do. Many can only continue because they have a partner who helps shoulder the burden.

I am immensely proud of my partner and the impact they make on society.

Maybe in a very large secondary school with LOTS of additional responsibility.

In my small London (Ofsted rated good) Orimary our head of MANY years is on around £80k. The head position in one of the trusts other primaries is currently being advertised - £58k pa.

I don’t know why so many people have voted as they have. Teachers have extraordinary holidays other’s can’t dream of and the ones I know (quite a few) work from about 8-5 each day. Max.

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16k for writing a TT or HOD. Jog on. No one gets that.

I've been wondering about that too.

I don’t think you know a single teacher well enough to understand their workload.

I work in a school, the last email I received from a member of staff was about 10 minutes ago. That is perfectly normal.

If any teachers on here don't yet know, you now also qualify for a Blue Light card.

https://www.bluelightcard.co.uk

So make sure you sign up and enjoy discounts while thinking about how it will piss off people like the OP that you're getting them.

With teaching though, the subject remains the same. Mathematics never changes. The answer to 10x10 is always going to be 100.

The rules within English remain the same. A full stop should always go at the end of a sentence...? 🤔

Geography, History, Sciences. They all remain the same.

If you are a teacher with knowledge of your chosen subject, then it shouldn't need researching. Only adapted to the knowledge of the those in front of you.

Show me someone who gets £16k for "creating a timetable" and I may begin to take you seriously. I earn nowhere near the figures that you are bandying about and I am top of UPS and also have significant responsibilities.

I'll use my lie in, making sure my curtains are closed. My 85k will go even further now.

Then why has mumsnetHQ let this run?

Perhaps because we'd quite like to have enough teachers for our children, particularly those who are experts in subjects that pay much better outside the teaching profession.

I timetable. It's not a one off project so wherever you copied and pasted that from probably don't use again.

A pay rise from a UPS3 to a HoD wouldn't get you close to £16k. And that's not extra responsibility, thats a different job. A promotion. So of course you'd expect more money for that.

I recently heard a mum say to her daughter at collection time that if her teacher upsets her again she’s going to ‘f…g punch his teeth out’. This is at a primary in a very nice part of London. Judging from what goes on in the WhatsApp group where parents moan for absolute nonsense and goad each other to send complaint emails to the school I would say teachers have one of the worst jobs that can exist and I wouldn’t do it for 10 times the money they earn. Let them have a lie in or ten.

Teachers are leaving.
Schools are at breaking point.
They have to come up with initiatives to retain them.

Teachers have been asking for years to be given time to do their work.

They make it sound like they can have lie ins and pick up their kids from school, which is great but that extra time will be used mainly for doing their work.

They won’t be being paid for doing nothing, they will just be given extra time to do the work because for most people the workload is too much to fit in the given time.

I had to leave teaching as it wasn’t family friendly and I couldn’t do it as a single parent.
Its female teachers that are the most hard done and they’re often the ones that have to leave which isn’t fair.

If you think teaching is such a good profession then why aren’t you one?

Would you consider going into teaching now?

Brilliant idea.
I'd much rather my DC were taught by a relaxed teacher who has had a leisurely morning before starting work late that day, than by a stressed out overtired teacher (which is generally the case).

So…every English teacher magically knows in depth every book, poem and play, the historical context and personal circumstances of the author do they?
There’s plenty of research needed for most teachers.

Plus you show your ignorance when saying ‘only’ adapted to the learners. That’s where the skill is. And in itself often requires research into particular needs and how to best work with them.

Are you a teacher?

Do you know any schools that will pay me £16k
to create a timetable? Please send me the link as I’m going to apply asap!

I am extremely confused about all these teachers saying they don't get anything like the wages published. The wages shown above are from the teachers own union. And we all know how militant they are with getting wage rises etc. Can you imagine the outcry if they heard that teachers weren't getting what they have published. 😂

No, not everyone can get promoted, but not everyone is capable of promotion, interested in promotion or committed to getting a promotion. Just like every other job.
Stay on the bottom tier, get bottom tier salary/earning potential. Get promotions, get bigger salary. 'Tis how the réal world works!

I assume you are a teacher then?

If not, why not?
As it sounds like a very cushy job doesn’t it?

How many parents are going to see a teacher's bedroom curtains closed?😂