to think that putting explosives in devices such as pagers and walkie talkies can lead to indiscriminate injuries and killings

[cakeorwine]

Let's get the first thing out of the way - it's not right to fire missiles and rockets at people - as that can cause indiscriminate injuries as well.

Putting explosives in devices such as pagers and walkie talkies - it sounds clever. Just send a signal and an explosion goes off potentially injuring and killing your opponent who has it. It will also disrupt communication methods.

But once you put the explosive in it, you lose control of where it goes and when it gets blown up. It could be a child has it. It could be on a plane - and might not be picked up by security.

You don't know where it ends up. Which means that it has the potential for unintended consequences.

What about any that didn't go off? Are there objects that have been booby trapped and are just potentially waiting to explode - and who knows where they are? The thing about booby traps is that you just don't know who will set them off.

Booby traps seem to be against the International Humanitarian Law if they can injure civillians.

Customary IHL - Rule 80. Booby-Traps (icrc.org)

Nope

@cakeorwine

*OK - they set off 5000 explosions.

Did they know where they would go off and how could they reduce the impact on the civilian population so they could ensure that the effect they wanted was proportional to the potential harm caused to non combatants?*

FFS! Yes, they did! That's why they orchestrated the combustion of small electrical pagers and walkie talkies, which intelligence told them, would be distributed to Hezbollah operatives with the aim of disabling communications - how hard, after multiple posters, have patiently explained, is this for you to understand?

I don't think the US will enter

What gives you that feeling?

You can’t be a very successful lawyer if you don’t understand the difference between a ‘charge’ and ‘conviction’ or what counts as evidence. Or what the definition of ‘genocide’ is and what the ICC has so far determined, and what is still yet to be determined.

(Helpfully I’m also a criminal lawyer so I can call out bull shit when I see it)

They knew that the terrorists had them.
They did not know where the terrorists would be when they exploded.

Did they?

This attack seems the opposite of indiscriminate- they used a device that would be on the person that they were targeting.

You really have no idea about warfare.

In WWII, only about 2% of bombs dropped by the RAF landed within 5 miles of the intended target. Sure, things have improved in the intervening 70 years but bombing is still really inaccurate.

How is it insane to stop terrorists firing missiles at you? Or tearing through your communities murdering and raping your people?

Imagine if someone in the UK had been targeted like this.
Driving a car or a lorry.
Then a small explosion.
Driver gets injured, car veers into people and they get killed.

When you have no control over a bomb and you simply send a signal for it to explode, you don't know what could happen.

This was done 5000 times.

I know it was targetted - but there was no control over where the explosion took place. And that's what I think my concerns are.

@cakeorwine I say they had a pretty good idea, you know, given they are under surveillance and engage in, you know, terrorist type activities 🙄

Possibly they did as they have gps. Either way it’s largely irrelevant as we’ve seen in the videos the explosions are very small.

Let's face it, the NYPD can't even nick a bloke for fare dodging without some innocent bystander ending up in hospital.

Many of the evangelists are desperate for judgement day and believe the ME is key to bringing this on.

If Trump wins, I do see a path where the religious right and big time ‘defence’ contractors decide to enter the fray.

Most bombs used by western armies are pretty accurate with a low CEP. Putting two ounces of explosive in a body worn device also has a low CEP.

But you just won't let go will you. With your deep knowledge and experience of warfare.

So you are saying that they knew exactly where the pagers were and that they had 5000 people in Lebanon under surveillance and that each person was engaging in terrorist activities at the time?

@user8634259076

Possibly they did as they have gps. Either way it’s largely irrelevant as we’ve seen in the videos the explosions are very small.

Exactly. At this point, I think the OP is either wilfully daft or trolling - either way, it's rather disconcerting

She’s probably a lawyer in the same way the other poster was Jewish

Er....right next to the pagers and walkie talkies?

Small enough to cause a lot of injuries and to kill people?

The location of the person.

Small enough not to cause harm to others but large enough to kill and injure people.

@Fescue

cakeorwine
They knew that the terrorists had them.
They did not know where the terrorists would be when they exploded.

Did they?

Er....right next to the pagers and walkie talkies?

Steady now...

The location.

And I don't think pagers have GPS either.

Do you believe that Israeli women were raped?

Oh a hell of a lot less evidence?

I do, of course. But interested to see whether you're applying, in this wartime context, the rigorous standards of innocent until proven guilty to the Hamas alleged perpetrators, too.

Fascinated to hear as a criminal lawyer you don't count CCTV as evidence. I hope you're in defence, that would certainly make you very 'successful'; with your clients though if not in outcomes.