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What compensation would you want for this?

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FiveHundredDucksWentOutOneDay · 18/09/2024 10:48

The major kitchen company involved have asked me, and there's a big difference between what me and DH think.

In short...

We planned the kitchen in January in-store, which was a great process.

Payment was awful. They insist on online payment and sent us links, which we paid, but then deluged us in 18 more links. We talked to them and they said it was an error - but then as the 18 extras were not paid, the order was cancelled. It took 2 days to sort out again.

Two weeks before fitting was due to begin, we were told the gas work that was supposed to be covered could no longer be done, and we'd need to find our own engineer at our own cost before fitting could begin. We did, and the engineer discovered the placement of the boiler, sink and hob were non-compliant. We had to drive 90 minutes to a different store for an urgent re-design, which meant the hob we'd bought privately didn't fit, and we lost two cupboards worth of space.

The dishwasher they sold us was out-of-stock, constantly. Eventually a member of staff told us it would not be available and the only one they had in a similar size was a lot less efficient. Swapping out the dishwasher removed our "4 for 3" appliance offer, which has still not been fixed.

Five days before installation, we were asked to send photos to confirm our old kitchen had been fully removed in order for installation to go ahead, which is not fun with a toddler!

Three days before installation, most of the kitchen arrived, but the dishwasher and worktops did not. Customer Services then told us that none of the worktops or island had ever been ordered, despite us paying them. We lost DAYS to calling them to try and sort this out.

The fitters found several items missing, including whole drawers, hinges and doors. Temporary worktops were sourced, but we were not sent enough for the island to be constructed fully, and the fitters were not sure it was safe without worktops, so we were left with an unusable kitchen (which is open-plan in our downstairs, and again really difficult with a toddler!). Then then sent us 30 random kitchen items, none of them the missing ones, which we've had to store since May, which has basically filled the basement.

On the last day of fitting, the new worktops were due, and didn't arrive. The fitters left as they had nothing else to do, but had forgotten to secure the oven into the casing, which fell and hit my foot. I was not seriously injured, but amidst all the stress from the fitting, I had a miscarriage. I can't prove this was because of the kitchen, but I do have a note from EPU with it as the 'suspected cause', due to stress. I'm heartbroken about it regardless.

We've since had three sets of new worktops delivered, all of which have taken at least a month to arrive, and none of which are right. We've finally had the correct colour arrive, but it's not double-sided, so it'll look rubbish on the overhanging part of the island. They've also not sent new worktops for the side, which the fitter expected, so he hasn't fitted the existing ones well - but it is passable.

The final bit should be fitted next week, which will then hopefully finish the kitchen. It should have been completed in the first week of May.

I'm self-employed and lost 8 days of work to trying to sort out all the errors. It's been really stressful, and required constant phone calls and chasing. Promised manager call-backs never come, and nobody seems to read the same notes.

The customer services manager has promised that they'll review the complaint once the kitchen is finalised. I don't hold out much hope - she keeps referring to my miscarriage with smiley face emojis in the same sentence - but what would you be looking for?

I'd quite like them to take it all out, to be honest, but I appreciate that's an emotional response and not a logical one.

OP posts:
Catza · 18/09/2024 11:29

My first emotional response is for them to refund in full... I appreciate it is wild and highly unlikely off the bat. But I wouldn't back down on 50%. Place high emphasis on accident (which their insurance should cover) and miscarriage and I would check with a solicitor where you are standing if you were to take them to court. Then, armed with this info, go at them with full force. I imagine a clever letter drafter by a solicitor may well spur them to write off the whole set up which, won't make up for your loss but at least give you some comfort.

Scallopp · 18/09/2024 11:30

I'd want them to take it out and fuck off. Give me all of my money back and let me.go somewhere reputable, as well as 50% of the costs in compensation for everything they've caused.

ApoodlecalledPenny · 18/09/2024 11:37

I’m afraid my instant reaction would be for them to take it all away too. It sounds horrific.

Thinking about it for a moment, perhaps it’s less stressful long-term to have a working kitchen rather than no kitchen while someone else fits one. Is it/ will it be up to standard when it’s finally done? If you can live with it and won’t have significant ongoing issues then maybe a very large discount?

Any one of the “snags” would be bad, to have such a catalogue of them… I’d want a significant discount. Plus some sort of compensation for the awful experience, and injury. What’s your day rate? I would include 8 x that in your calculation.

Berga · 18/09/2024 11:42

I'm sorry this happened to you, its shit.

I'd want to be back in the same position before they darkened your door, so I'd want full refund, the kitchen removed at their cost, compensation for your 8 days work and then for the stress and accident.

I'd name them here too.

WigglyVonWaggly · 18/09/2024 11:48

Good grief, op. I’m so sorry that you’ve had such an appalling experience. Please name them. I’d want the compensation to ‘undo’ every part of the damage possible. Eight days of your pay, removal of their shit kitchen, full refund, cost of ordering food or using a launderette etc while you couldn’t use appliances, you name it. If you battle with them, consider contacting The Guardian or similar as they have a consumer issues column which takes on particularly shite conduct when businesses are not cooperating.

HoppityBun · 18/09/2024 11:51

Whatever you decide, make sure you let them know you have investigated the small claims court

Button28384738 · 18/09/2024 12:48

How awful for you. I would want a full refund tbh

Ablondiebutagoody · 18/09/2024 13:12

Who are they?!

Askingfortroible · 18/09/2024 13:14

I would ask for a full refund and negotiate from there.

Askingfortroible · 18/09/2024 13:14

Berga · 18/09/2024 11:42

I'm sorry this happened to you, its shit.

I'd want to be back in the same position before they darkened your door, so I'd want full refund, the kitchen removed at their cost, compensation for your 8 days work and then for the stress and accident.

I'd name them here too.

This. They should be paying to put you a nil situation.

poppyzbrite4 · 18/09/2024 13:17

Contact Citizen's Advice Consumer rights helpline.

I would want my money back in full.

mortygage · 18/09/2024 13:26

Im on the hunt for a new kitchen. Please name them OP so i can give them a wide berth.

AhwanaFooqya · 18/09/2024 13:32

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YellowAsteroid · 18/09/2024 13:34

Catza · 18/09/2024 11:29

My first emotional response is for them to refund in full... I appreciate it is wild and highly unlikely off the bat. But I wouldn't back down on 50%. Place high emphasis on accident (which their insurance should cover) and miscarriage and I would check with a solicitor where you are standing if you were to take them to court. Then, armed with this info, go at them with full force. I imagine a clever letter drafter by a solicitor may well spur them to write off the whole set up which, won't make up for your loss but at least give you some comfort.

This. Full refund. It is not the kitchen you planned, through no fault or omission or lack of information on your part.

And name them on any & every review site, including MN!

Makes me realise how lucky I was with my builder & a Howdens kitchen. Done in two days.

JustFrustrated · 18/09/2024 13:37

This has to be the big green one?

You need to catalogue every penny you're asking for

So

Your day rate x 8 days & explain why
The obvious missed discounts (the 3 for 4)
The hob

Etc etc

Compiled as an invoice.

DO NOT SIGN THE WORK COMPLETE FORM.
Is this on finance via them or privately funded? This makes a MASSIVE difference.

Starlight1979 · 18/09/2024 13:51

Ablondiebutagoody · 18/09/2024 13:12

Who are they?!

I'm going to go with the little bird that rhymes with Ben. My best mate had the exact same issues.

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 18/09/2024 13:54

Yeah, small bird, big green one- seems about standard for them’

AhwanaFooqya · 18/09/2024 13:54

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Rocksaltrita · 18/09/2024 14:02

Just name and shame.

JustFrustrated · 18/09/2024 14:03

mortygage · 18/09/2024 13:26

Im on the hunt for a new kitchen. Please name them OP so i can give them a wide berth.

Avoid

Wren

Ikea isn't apparently very good either.

My mate who runs a kitchen fitting company massively recommends DIY kitchens : they come as built units and are made in the UK.

PetulantPenguin · 18/09/2024 14:07

I would want a full refund. This is awful, I'm so sorry for your loss too. Im not sure anything can compensate you.

Heronwatcher · 18/09/2024 14:08

What would you like and what would your husband like?

If you are genuinely going to replace the whole thing, then yes taking it all away and full refund is appropriate.

If you’re planning to tweak it but are broadly happy with what you’ve got, then I think around 50% is probably fair.

Incidentally have you thought of replacing the kitchen island with wood or a different coloured double sided worktop?

Moveoverdarlin · 18/09/2024 14:10

I’ve just had a new kitchen with Magnet and the whole experience was pretty shit too. Wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole.

FranceIsWhereItsAt · 18/09/2024 14:27

Personally, I wouldn't have put up with this amount of shit in the first place, but that's just me. However, in your shoes, I too, would be wanting a full refund and for them to remove and take everything away. I would also be seeking redress for all of the upset, which is highly likely to have been the root cause of your miscarriage, payment for 8 days lost work, and any other costs you incurred throughout the whole fiasco.

However, to be on the safe side, I would highly recommend seeking legal advice from Citizens Advice or your own solicitor if you can afford one. Then if the kitchen company fail to co-operate, I'd contact 'Rip Off Britain', and see what, if anything, they can do for you.

I am SO sorry for everything you've been through OP, and am actually dreading ordering a new kitchen for my own home, (which is imminent), as you hear so many of these stories, and the last one I had through Wickes, ended up with two brand new kitchens being delivered, before we had enough parts to make one decent one out of the parts. We too ended up storing boxes and boxes of bits for months on end, but did, in the end, get a decent refund, and were allowed to keep all of the faulty parts which made for very useful storage in my garage. The whole thing was massively stressful throughout, but even so, sounds like it wasn't nearly as bad as what you've been through. Please confirm for us which company this is, so that I too don't make the mistake of using them. I hope you get a satisfactory response, and it's all sorted out as quickly as possible.

Citrusandginger · 18/09/2024 14:32

I'd want a full refund.

I would accept a refund on the appliances, plus the cost of any missing items that will need to be sourced from elsewhere.