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What compensation would you want for this?

110 replies

FiveHundredDucksWentOutOneDay · 18/09/2024 10:48

The major kitchen company involved have asked me, and there's a big difference between what me and DH think.

In short...

We planned the kitchen in January in-store, which was a great process.

Payment was awful. They insist on online payment and sent us links, which we paid, but then deluged us in 18 more links. We talked to them and they said it was an error - but then as the 18 extras were not paid, the order was cancelled. It took 2 days to sort out again.

Two weeks before fitting was due to begin, we were told the gas work that was supposed to be covered could no longer be done, and we'd need to find our own engineer at our own cost before fitting could begin. We did, and the engineer discovered the placement of the boiler, sink and hob were non-compliant. We had to drive 90 minutes to a different store for an urgent re-design, which meant the hob we'd bought privately didn't fit, and we lost two cupboards worth of space.

The dishwasher they sold us was out-of-stock, constantly. Eventually a member of staff told us it would not be available and the only one they had in a similar size was a lot less efficient. Swapping out the dishwasher removed our "4 for 3" appliance offer, which has still not been fixed.

Five days before installation, we were asked to send photos to confirm our old kitchen had been fully removed in order for installation to go ahead, which is not fun with a toddler!

Three days before installation, most of the kitchen arrived, but the dishwasher and worktops did not. Customer Services then told us that none of the worktops or island had ever been ordered, despite us paying them. We lost DAYS to calling them to try and sort this out.

The fitters found several items missing, including whole drawers, hinges and doors. Temporary worktops were sourced, but we were not sent enough for the island to be constructed fully, and the fitters were not sure it was safe without worktops, so we were left with an unusable kitchen (which is open-plan in our downstairs, and again really difficult with a toddler!). Then then sent us 30 random kitchen items, none of them the missing ones, which we've had to store since May, which has basically filled the basement.

On the last day of fitting, the new worktops were due, and didn't arrive. The fitters left as they had nothing else to do, but had forgotten to secure the oven into the casing, which fell and hit my foot. I was not seriously injured, but amidst all the stress from the fitting, I had a miscarriage. I can't prove this was because of the kitchen, but I do have a note from EPU with it as the 'suspected cause', due to stress. I'm heartbroken about it regardless.

We've since had three sets of new worktops delivered, all of which have taken at least a month to arrive, and none of which are right. We've finally had the correct colour arrive, but it's not double-sided, so it'll look rubbish on the overhanging part of the island. They've also not sent new worktops for the side, which the fitter expected, so he hasn't fitted the existing ones well - but it is passable.

The final bit should be fitted next week, which will then hopefully finish the kitchen. It should have been completed in the first week of May.

I'm self-employed and lost 8 days of work to trying to sort out all the errors. It's been really stressful, and required constant phone calls and chasing. Promised manager call-backs never come, and nobody seems to read the same notes.

The customer services manager has promised that they'll review the complaint once the kitchen is finalised. I don't hold out much hope - she keeps referring to my miscarriage with smiley face emojis in the same sentence - but what would you be looking for?

I'd quite like them to take it all out, to be honest, but I appreciate that's an emotional response and not a logical one.

OP posts:
Snugglemonkey · 18/09/2024 15:14

I would hate that kitchen. So I would want them to come and take it back, to compensate me and refund the kitchen so I could get another.

FiveHundredDucksWentOutOneDay · 19/09/2024 14:07

DH wants me to email and say that we want a complete refund, and compensation for the missed work days. He is not bothered by their attempts to fix it, and he is unfussed if they want to come and strip the kitchen out as a result, although he says they'd need to fully pay for it.

I don't think the customer services manager is going to offer much at all, and I'm not sure whether to wait for her to offer something and then try and negotiate from there, or to email and re-state our position on everything that has happened, and ask for a fair figure.

Thanks for all the thoughts! It's been difficult to see what is reasonable while in the thick of it all. I can't believe it's turned into such a nightmare. We planned it so carefully, as our kitchen takes up 70% of our downstairs... I avoid it as much as I can now. It brings no joy at all.

OP posts:
Evaka · 19/09/2024 14:11

Refund in full full full. My heart is pounding just reading this.

RoseHarper · 19/09/2024 14:23

As suggested above I would detail all the financial costs you can quantify, loss of earnings, loss off offer deals etc, then detail the stress and inconvenience aspects. I would not wait for them to offer. Make a judgement on what you think is reasonable based on the above, claim more, this let's them know what your expectation is. If they offer a very low amount it is harder to increase from that. A full refund doesn't sound unreasonable, and they can remove the kitchen at their own cost, likely they won't.

neilyoungismyhero · 19/09/2024 14:26

Was this Wren?

MimiSunshine · 19/09/2024 14:31

neilyoungismyhero · 19/09/2024 14:26

Was this Wren?

I was thinking the same. A friend has a similar issue with them. Same great initial service but then a total shit show afterwards.
minus the injury and miscarriage, my deepest sympathy OP.

but as others have said, go for full refund plus financial losses. They can try to negotiate you down if they so wish.
you don’t start in a position of negotiating up.

poetryandwine · 19/09/2024 14:45

I am so sorry for what you have been through, OP. Frequently threads with similar titles to yours seem to be making mountains out of molehills, but if anything you aren’t proposing to go far enough.

How could you enjoy the kitchen after your miscarriage? (BTW the note from the EPU is extremely useful here). I think you are owed quite a lot, so much that you should work with a solicitor or one of the national newspapers’ consumer advocates.

The firm should take out the new kitchen and put in a skeleton of a working kitchen at no charge to you. I think you need a small fridge with a freezer drawer, a microwave, a decent sink and water supply and two working burners, minimum. Also a toaster oven and some laminate worktops of acceptable quality.

You need full compensation for your time off work.

You are well within your rights to seek damages for the lost pregnancy. However this could get intrusive and painful. I would not offer an opinion whether you would wish to do that.

If the solicitor or advocate doesn’t get anywhere I would start tweeting the CEO and otherwise publicise the situation as loudly as possible

Very best wishes

friendlycat · 19/09/2024 14:46

That really is spectacularly awful. I can see why you would want a full refund but don't think that will happen as you still have their kitchen.

Yes you need to fully itemise every single element that occurred and the timescales accurately.

What realistically do you want to achieve? Is is 50% reduction / 70% reduction etc? I think you need this base point to then work towards it rather than let's see what we can get.

poetryandwine · 19/09/2024 14:46

PS I forgot to say that of course you are owed a full refund!!

poetryandwine · 19/09/2024 14:47

You probably won’t get all of what I suggested but it is a good starting point.

Catza · 19/09/2024 14:51

FiveHundredDucksWentOutOneDay · 19/09/2024 14:07

DH wants me to email and say that we want a complete refund, and compensation for the missed work days. He is not bothered by their attempts to fix it, and he is unfussed if they want to come and strip the kitchen out as a result, although he says they'd need to fully pay for it.

I don't think the customer services manager is going to offer much at all, and I'm not sure whether to wait for her to offer something and then try and negotiate from there, or to email and re-state our position on everything that has happened, and ask for a fair figure.

Thanks for all the thoughts! It's been difficult to see what is reasonable while in the thick of it all. I can't believe it's turned into such a nightmare. We planned it so carefully, as our kitchen takes up 70% of our downstairs... I avoid it as much as I can now. It brings no joy at all.

I think you need to strike first. There is not point in waiting for them to offer as it would be much harder to get them to shift.

Itsmahoneybaloney · 19/09/2024 14:57

Howdens are the best with an independent fitter.

poppymango · 19/09/2024 15:01

Name and shame - I'd nearly need counselling after this kind of stress!!

OutVileJelly1 · 19/09/2024 15:07

We have had several awful experiences.
When we had our kitchen fitted, we had a week off work, and on the Friday before they were due, they rang at 4pm to say they needed to delay for a week

FreebieWallopFridge · 19/09/2024 15:09

Full refund and removal of kitchen at their cost
plus
Compensation for the 8 days lost work plus any additional days off sick due to foot / miscarriage (very sorry for your loss, I can’t believe she’s using smiley face emojis - that’s worth a complaint on its own)
plus
Gesture of goodwill to recognise the huge amount of stress caused by their incompetence and the lengthy time period it’s been going on (and I’d be seeking a percentage of the total you paid them to reach that figure)

and a fucking apology

Perplexed20 · 19/09/2024 15:10

Full refund plus your 8 missed days of work.
I agree with your dh.

Pinkstuffs · 19/09/2024 15:13

I don’t know if DIY Kitchens are any better currently to be honest. We had delays on our order and damages.

Ilovechees3 · 19/09/2024 15:19

I had issues with a window company with delays, damage to property, incorrect materials, complained to company and they would not negotiate a settlement. I have legal expenses cover with my home insurance and got advice and help from them.
I would check their complaints procedure and follow it to the letter. They have effectively broken the contract with you.

TooTiredToType77 · 19/09/2024 15:25

Go high in your request for compensation, they will always want to negotiate down.

Go hard and threaten their reputation online and to the press

Once you get the compensation get a new worktop fitted. I'm in this industry and highly recommend Granite 4 You for quartz worktops. They supply and fit.

It is a truly horrific catalogue of events and really needs a high up / dedicated national customer service response. Go high on money and who you deal with at the company

Good luck

SpidersAreShitheads · 19/09/2024 15:31

@Pinkstuffs - we've just had two kitchens from DIY Kitchens, one for us and one for DM.

No damage and no problems with either order. The only slight moan I have is that you're given a 2-day window for delivery and the day isn't confirmed until the actual day before.

I think there's always the potential for the odd damaged unit/missing piece - I've seen the same said about pretty much all of the kitchen providers. Obvs with DIYK you can't pop in like you can with Howdens, so it's a case of weighing up whether the ££ savings with DIYK are worth it.

I think the mark of a good provider is how quickly they sort out any problems. Having said that, I have seen a few grumbles re DIYK in recent months so I don't know if their popularity is affecting their service.

OP, I think I would genuinely think about going to a solicitor. I think what you've been through is beyond the scope of a normal complaint.

AngryLikeHades · 19/09/2024 15:35

I'd contact trading standards and the small claims court. Sorry if someone has already suggested that

OhshutupBarry · 19/09/2024 15:37

I would also add trading standards and small claims court. A friend of mine had a terrible time with a local bathroom firm and had to have the lot ripped out, yet they were chasing her for final payment! In the end she won her case and they had to repay the whole lot.

Ohnobackagain · 19/09/2024 15:38

@FiveHundredDucksWentOutOneDay do you have legal assistance on your insurance? This sounds absolutely awful and, like many PP, I’d want them to eff off and take their kitchen with them, restore everything and pay for someone else to do it properly. So sorry this happened, it’s like a script for The Money Pit!

twomanyfrogsinabox · 19/09/2024 15:43

Don't wait for them to make a meagre offer or your counter will look unreasonable, get yours in first and they will have to work from there.

Hadjab · 19/09/2024 15:44

mortygage · 18/09/2024 13:26

Im on the hunt for a new kitchen. Please name them OP so i can give them a wide berth.

DIY Kitchens - fantastic quality, amazing prices!

No, I don't work for them, I just love my kitchen 😀