To ask if you’ve ever become obsessed with a murder case?

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I was watching a true crime podcast on YouTube and it finished and went to a random suggestion and it was a 2 minute video of a crime scene inside a subway from the 80s on an ordinary news channel.

I looked into the case and there’s nothing on it apart from a one column blurb in the newspaper at the time and the victims photo being sold on Amazon. It’s so weird .. and I can’t stop thinking about it.

Anyone else?

Lacey Peterson and Gypsy Blanchard. Also im watching that new drama on Netflix about the Menéndez brothers so thats my new obsession!

I was very interested in the Idaho murders, a couple of students got killed by Brian koberger, well he's arrested for it but no trial I don't think yet. There was one surviving room mate and all the details were so horrific, I remember being so intrigued especially when no one had been arrested yet. I think it was potentially during lockdown though so that might be why I got so invested as had nothing else to do haha

Shirley's daughter died just before the killer Ian O'callaghan was convicted.

Shirley's grandson Darren never forgave himself as he left his gran on the bus that night. He got off just before the interchange.
Darren died at 42.

Making a murderer, Steven Avery had me gripped. I thought the treatment of his nephew Brendan, who with a low IQ how the police interrogation process was carried out was disgusting. It had a flawed investigation

The thing that didn’t turn me with this one was that, while I completely understand why Brendan would have made something up to satisfy detectives and just end it and get out of the room, he then later on his first phone call, gave the same story to his mum. I would have thought, if he didn’t do what he said, his first words to his mum would have been ‘help me, I didn’t do anything, I said I did stuff so they’d let me go, now I’m in jail’. But instead, he gave a recap of what he’d done in different words, said sorry to her, please forgive me etc. I agree he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed, so wouldn’t have even known that call would be recorded (even if told, not sure it would have computed), so there was zero reason he’d lie to his mum on his first contact with her rather than saying ‘I didn’t do anything’. THEN, after he has legal visits, people talk to him, there is a different story.

Do I believe the story he told detectives, no, I think it was under duress.
Do I believe the story he told his mum, absolutely.
Do I believe his story after people had then talked to him, no, I think that was damage control.

Therefore, I’m not unhappy about where he is. But the good thing about justice processes is we all have different thoughts and different takes on things, and the right to question which is a good thing.

The dingo baby case, where tiny Azaria Chamberlain was apparently taken from a tent in Australia by a dingo.
Was it a dingo really, or was she murdered by her mother?
I guess we'll never know really.

Was it a dingo really, or was she murdered by her mother

Whilst Lindy was convicted then that was later overturned, I don’t think that’s where it ultimately landed. My recollection (being in Australia at the time), was more ‘was it a dingo, or one of the older brothers (forget which one but I think they were with her or missing from the rest of the group at the time or something), and Lindy, along with Michaels help, covered it up’, things didn’t add up which led to her being convicted. Then it overturned. But I don’t think it’s a case of ‘was she murdered by her mother’, rather ‘dingo vs older sibling with well tended cover up that went pear shaped’.

@HoppingPavlova they found the babies clothing in a dingo lair years later. It was the dingo. It's sad that some people still don't believe it.

Who knows? None of us. A dingo could have put it there or someone else at some point. Will forever be a mystery. One of the early pieces of evidence before that was the matinee jacket found at the time complete, not ripped etc. Maybe it came off like that by chance when the dingo was carrying the baby away, maybe not. Dingos are bold, you only need to go to Fraser (now called something else) to see that. Kids are bitten all the time. So it’s possible a dingo did it, and possible it didn’t.

There was a programme on C4 the other week about a British criminal called The Fox who broke into peoples houses in the summer of 1984, and committed sexual assaults on both male and female victims.

I had no memory of these cases despite being 16 at the time and it apparently being on the news. He was caught in the end by the police matching a fleck of car paint to a particular model and painstaking trawling through car registrations. No DNA or CCTV then.

It made me realise how difficult it must have been to catch criminals before all the technology etc we have today.

Can second that recommendation for The Fox- amazing detective work!

I still want to know what happened to JonBenet Ramsay. There was no intruder.

Tragic accident and then bonkers cover-up by that nutjob mother is my guess.

The Soham murders really effected me as a child. But I’m not obsessed with it, I can’t watch any films or documentaries about it as it’s too close to home.
Holly and Jessica were the same age as my sister, their bodies found 2 miles from where we lived, my mum worked with one of their dads when it happened. I can’t even think about it without being gripped by fear and sadness

I think the brother Burke did it and the parents covered up. Just the ransom note was so unbelievable.

@Lentilweaver

Agree. I think that's what motivated the father to play along.

The ransom note screams Patsy and was written on paper from the kitchen. What intruder would sit there with a corpse writing a three page note?

The police officer's observation of her peering out between her fingers when she was ostensibly sobbing into her hands still gives me the creeps.

Haven’t read the full thread but some of the ones that stick with me and I was obsessed with are:

Casey Anthony case. Hate that bitch. I think there’s more to the Dad as well.

JonBenet Ramsey - I think the brother did it

Gaby Petito - I followed this right from the start

Lori Vallow/Chad Daybell Domesday Couple. This I also followed from the start and watched Court TV of the trials and sentencing. I cried for those children. I was so pleased that Lori and Chad got what they deserved. Although I still think Lori should have had the death penalty but papers were filed incorrectly

Chria Watts. Just absolutely senseless

and one that happened very close to home that never really gets much attention happened just a few months after I was born. I live in the town and her father worked at my secondary school. Judith Roberts.

truecrimestoriesuk.wixsite.com/truecrimestories/post/the-unsolved-murder-of-judith-roberts

I lived in Norfolk and worked in Suffolk at the time Steve Wright was committing the murders. I had friends who worked in Ipswich and colleagues who lived in or near there. I still think about those poor girls a lot. There is a very good book about the case by Professor David Wilson which is well worth a read. Their names are definitely not forgotten by those of us who were around at the time.
Other cases which haunt me....
Christine Darby who was 7 years old when she was murdered in Cannock Chase in the late 60s/ early 70s. She was around the same age as me. When she died, her name was on everyone's lips and stranger danger was everywhere. My childhood changed almost overnight.
Genette Tate. She was around the same age as me when she went missing. One of the photos of her reminded me very much of my best friend. Jill Dando, Suzy Lamplugh, Claudia Lawrence, and Madeleine McCann.
Steve Wright used to run a pub in the red light district in Norwich at the time when a young prostitute called Natalie Pearman was murdered.
Quite a few people think he may be involved in it. He has also recently been charged with the murder of another young girl in Suffolk, Melanie Hall.

Sorry that should be Victoria Hall, not Melanie.

It was not the mother. She wasn't out of sight nearly long enough to hide the baby way out in the bush where an article of her clothing was eventually found, covered in dingo hairs. It was mere minutes earlier that she had been talking to friends. She went to check on the baby and started screaming. She was with other people constantly after that as well.

Plus, there was a witness.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/azarias-body-hidden-20040706-gdj9to.html

Not sure how credible he is, but if he just did it because he wanted publicity, why would he wait so long?

Little Nora who died in a rainforest. She was autistic and wouldn’t have gone outalone her parents said. She was found somewhere inaccessible and cause of death was starvation and stress. I’m sure her clothes were missing too and some witch doctor found her with psychic powers. Have a feeling something else happened there but not sure what.

Yeah, that broke my heart. Very strange case and hard to say whether was foul play was involved.
Perhaps somebody tried to harm her, causing her to run away and become lost.

Any chance that its "murder most irish" or "mens rea"

Not a “proven” murder case, but the death of Stuart Lubbock in Michael Barrymore’s pool…..there’s more to that story…

Barrymore has a big following on TikTok these days

That was tragic but i dont think her clothes being missing was necessarily indicative of anything sinister, my son has similar disabilities to her and he would just take his clothes off if they were wet or uncomfortable, I do think she may just have turned the wrong way and got lost ,heartbreaking for her family.

Oh that's awful I didn't know that about her Grandson ,Ian ,O,callaghan ,was in my Brother in laws, class at the Derby ,he said was quiet, and a bit of a loner
It wasent even that late ,I watched a sky documentary about how they caught him and another person at the interchange and noticed him acting suspiciously and was so freaked out by him that she got a taxi home