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To ask if you’ve ever become obsessed with a murder case?

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sheknoedidhitit · 16/09/2024 20:26

I was watching a true crime podcast on YouTube and it finished and went to a random suggestion and it was a 2 minute video of a crime scene inside a subway from the 80s on an ordinary news channel.

I looked into the case and there’s nothing on it apart from a one column blurb in the newspaper at the time and the victims photo being sold on Amazon. It’s so weird .. and I can’t stop thinking about it.

Anyone else?

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Theotherone234 · 18/09/2024 18:02

AlinaSquareQueen · 18/09/2024 11:51

Was this the Michelle Booth (from Reading) case in 1978?

I worked at the Prudential at the time, and she started to work there, after the accident, with her twin sister Sharon.

She was in a coma for 8 weeks. It was a massive story at the time, and I don’t think the perpetrator ever got caught.

Was she the girl who got a tape made by Roy Orbison to try and bring her out of the coma? If so I remember the case, and how annoyed I was that I never found out if she'd recovered.

XChrome · 18/09/2024 18:08

ColonelRhubarbBikini · 18/09/2024 08:17

The L.I.S.K case or the Gilgo beach whichever you know it by. Such a horrible haunting case in which some of the victims are still unidentified. The man they have arrested sounds like a monster. The ‘planning document’ found on his computer is horrifying.

I’ve been following that case closely alongside Delphi and the Idaho student murders. All of which will be coming to trial in the next few years.

Yes that case has haunted me for a long time as well.
Did you ever read the book on it, Lost Girls? There is also Netflix film based on it.

CornishYarg · 18/09/2024 18:08

It's an old case but William Herbert Wallace and the murder of his wife Julia in 1931 intrigues me. I first read about it in the PD James novel The Murder Room. As it says in the novel, a lot of the evidence of the case could be used to support both the defence and the prosecution depending on how you view it.

Theotherone234 · 18/09/2024 18:10

Theotherone234 · 18/09/2024 18:02

Was she the girl who got a tape made by Roy Orbison to try and bring her out of the coma? If so I remember the case, and how annoyed I was that I never found out if she'd recovered.

It was the same case. I'm so glad she recovered

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XChrome · 18/09/2024 18:11

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OMG! That's horrendous. I had to stop reading it.
It reminds me of the Pig Farmer serial killer, Robert Picton.
I hate the world too.

AlinaSquareQueen · 18/09/2024 18:11

Theotherone234 · 18/09/2024 18:02

Was she the girl who got a tape made by Roy Orbison to try and bring her out of the coma? If so I remember the case, and how annoyed I was that I never found out if she'd recovered.

Yes, that’s the one. And she did recover, enough to hold down a job. So almost a happy ending.

XChrome · 18/09/2024 18:16

fubared · 18/09/2024 16:02

Was anyone ever convicted of the murder of Billie-Jo Jenkins?

They closed the case, because they knew it was her foster father but he got acquitted on a technicality.

Elderflower14 · 18/09/2024 19:36

XChrome · 18/09/2024 18:16

They closed the case, because they knew it was her foster father but he got acquitted on a technicality.

My stepdaughter used to live in the same road. When I walked past I always used to shiver. Bit like driving over Saddleworth Moor.

HaveYouSeenRain · 18/09/2024 19:48

XChrome · 18/09/2024 18:16

They closed the case, because they knew it was her foster father but he got acquitted on a technicality.

I just read about the case. So sad 😢 poor girl. And no justice served

XChrome · 18/09/2024 20:49

Elderflower14 · 18/09/2024 19:36

My stepdaughter used to live in the same road. When I walked past I always used to shiver. Bit like driving over Saddleworth Moor.

I know how you feel. There was a bike path near where I used to live where a murder took place. It was five years before I could bear to take that path again.

XChrome · 18/09/2024 20:51

HaveYouSeenRain · 18/09/2024 19:48

I just read about the case. So sad 😢 poor girl. And no justice served

I wish somebody had just taken the law into their own hands and killed the guy.
My post might get deleted for saying that, but I don't care.

Firefly1987 · 18/09/2024 21:15

For those mentioning James Bulger-there's a programme about the case on tonight at 10p.m channel 5. About the trial I think.

WandaFishy99 · 18/09/2024 21:43

CornishYarg · 18/09/2024 18:08

It's an old case but William Herbert Wallace and the murder of his wife Julia in 1931 intrigues me. I first read about it in the PD James novel The Murder Room. As it says in the novel, a lot of the evidence of the case could be used to support both the defence and the prosecution depending on how you view it.

Oh yes that was an interesting case. I worked in Liverpool and I knew someone who remembered him. She said he was very quiet and unassuming.
Another woman I knew lived in Wolverton St, where the murder took place, and said it was a cursed street, tragedies happened often, one was her losing her husband suddenly and unexpectedly when he was only in his 30s.

Julen7 · 18/09/2024 21:52

Sinisterdexter · 18/09/2024 06:47

The Pottery Cottage murders, absolutely horrific.

I remember as a young child hearing about this on the news snd feeling completely traumatised

OhcantthInkofaname · 18/09/2024 23:38

#1. In the US it's the Long Island Serial - Gilgo Beach murders. They even released a new sketch of an unidentified victim this week.
#2. The Idaho student murders that trial is supposed to start next month I think. The guy is weird and his sister's even thought he did it before he came home for Christmas vacation.

suburberphobe · 18/09/2024 23:49

Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon in Panama. There is no way they got lost. I've read books/watched documentaries/scoured Reddit.

I did a deep dive into this case. Seems they were murdered for their organs. Utterly chilling. Of course they could have stumbled upon cocaine traffickers or people traffickers. NEVER go for a walk in those kind of places without a local guide.

But yea. Suzy Lamplugh, Claudia Lawrence too. So sad.

suburberphobe · 18/09/2024 23:55

Reeva Steinkamp murder

I remember reading about it at the time and her mother saying if you need a pee at your boyfriend's house you don't lock the bathroom door....

Utterly chilling. I think she told him it was over and he couldn't deal with it.....

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/09/2024 02:02

Theotherone234 · 18/09/2024 17:40

This one is my obsession, and it started on the day he was convicted - based on what a body-language expert said about his sky tv interview on the day of her funeral.
This seemed to be a trial-by-media conviction (no DNA from Luke but DNA from other man in used condom near the body).

He was a weirdo, not well liked by his peers, urinated in bottles because he didn't want to pause his game to go to the loo, was a goth and so on.

There was something odd about Jodie's father/uncle/brother/cousin but I'd have to Google what it was.

My opinion is her family didn't like Luke and were quick to point the finger. A sympathetic community and relentless media ran with it and Luke was convicted on 'dislike'.

He's still inside and would have been released on parole years ago if he confessed.

My main concern is that he was convicted of murder based on flimsy circumstantial evidence. In fact, there isn't even any CE when you look at it.

And nobody cares. No politicians up in arms, the community, moj orgs etc. He's been swept under the carpet.

The other cases that have me obsessed are the Moors murders, Soham murders, Denis Nielsen, Jeremy Bamber and Ted Bundy

Sorry, but the majority of this post is simply factually untrue.

Much has been made of the "no DNA evidence" thing, but in a purposefully disingenuous way in order to cast doubt on Mitchell's presence at the crime scene.

It simply is not true his DNA was not present.

Jodi and Luke's relationship was known to be sexual, so at the trial both Prosecution and Defence agreed that it would be completely pointless to bring up DNA evidence as it would achieve nothing and result in a circular argument, so it was never part of the trial. This does not mean there was no DNA evidence placing Mitchell at the crime scene.

Luke was not "convicted on dislike", or on "flimsy circumstantial evidence" He, and his mother, attempted to pervert the course of justice by providing him with a false alibi, a false alibi that his own sibling, thankfully, would not corroborate. Mitchell also deliberately destroyed evidence in an attempt to frustrate the investigation.

"Nobody cares" because it's only people who are either unaware of facts, or deliberately choosing to ignore them who are in any way doubtful of Mitchell's conviction. The people who investigated the crime, those who prosecuted Mitchell, and those responsible for ensuring fair justice are in no doubt, hence why all the protestations of innocence are getting absolutely nowhere.

Mitchell is as guilty as sin.

Boxofstars · 19/09/2024 02:20

sheknoedidhitit · 16/09/2024 20:26

I was watching a true crime podcast on YouTube and it finished and went to a random suggestion and it was a 2 minute video of a crime scene inside a subway from the 80s on an ordinary news channel.

I looked into the case and there’s nothing on it apart from a one column blurb in the newspaper at the time and the victims photo being sold on Amazon. It’s so weird .. and I can’t stop thinking about it.

Anyone else?

I remember when a lady called Shirley Leach was killed in the bus station toilets at Bury in the early 90s I was 15 when it happened.

It was awful and my mum and dad told me never go near bus stations when it was dark.
The poor woman would have avoided the barsteward if she hadnt missed her connecting bus. It was talked about for many years the police thought they would never catch the killer.

The man who killed Shirley was finally caught years later after being forced to give his dna over a road incident.

He was a bus driver. Another Manchester bus driver killed a young boy he was infatuated with a few years after Shirley was killed what is it with bus drivers in the north?.

Boxofstars · 19/09/2024 02:27

dottiedodah · 18/09/2024 10:16

Wasnt Claudia Lawrence killed by some guys at her local pub? Apparently the police know who they are. But dont have enough evidence to prosecute them!

I think it was a female not a male.

Claudia liked attached men. Whoever did the deed clearly planned it very well no trace of anything.
I think she was put in a incinerator somewhere because if she was buried or put in water her remains would have been found.

Lovelylilylane · 19/09/2024 02:46

The case of Amanda Blackburn. I was completely obsessed. I’m (un)usually interested in murders involving religion.

HoppingPavlova · 19/09/2024 04:11

Not obsessed per se, but I admit to being fascinated and reading anything that crosses my screen regarding:
Jack the Ripper and victims
Lizzie Borden’s parents
The Black Dahlia/Elizabeth Smart
Jo Benet Ramsey (spelling?)
Peter Falconio - understand someone’s convicted and believe they are guilty as sin, but am 50/50 whether they are guilty of this murder, plenty of others I’m sure they are, so they are where they deserve to be irrespective. The thing that interests me is that the actual murderer could still be out there. I’m in Australia and while Wolf Creek was ‘just a movie’ the content is absolutely true, lots of people go missing in the outback and lots of murdering crackpots out there, vast areas, chances are most will get away with it.

CornishYarg · 19/09/2024 07:51

WandaFishy99 · 18/09/2024 21:43

Oh yes that was an interesting case. I worked in Liverpool and I knew someone who remembered him. She said he was very quiet and unassuming.
Another woman I knew lived in Wolverton St, where the murder took place, and said it was a cursed street, tragedies happened often, one was her losing her husband suddenly and unexpectedly when he was only in his 30s.

That's amazing that you knew someone who remembered him and 😱 that it was considered a cursed street.

Him being a quiet and unassuming man makes sense. It fits with the comment in the novel that him asking several people where the non-existent street was could just as easily be a conscientious insurance salesman doing his job, as a guilty man trying to deliberately establish an alibi.

WandaFishy99 · 19/09/2024 08:31

@CornishYarg did you see the dramatisation The Man From the Pru on tv? Quite a few years ago now, it was very good. Not sure if it's available anywhere now.

x2boys · 19/09/2024 08:35

Boxofstars · 19/09/2024 02:20

I remember when a lady called Shirley Leach was killed in the bus station toilets at Bury in the early 90s I was 15 when it happened.

It was awful and my mum and dad told me never go near bus stations when it was dark.
The poor woman would have avoided the barsteward if she hadnt missed her connecting bus. It was talked about for many years the police thought they would never catch the killer.

The man who killed Shirley was finally caught years later after being forced to give his dna over a road incident.

He was a bus driver. Another Manchester bus driver killed a young boy he was infatuated with a few years after Shirley was killed what is it with bus drivers in the north?.

I'm from Bury and remember the murder of Shirley leach very well ,the murderer ,wasent caught for many years and was only caught because his DNA matched a fairly minor incident for which he was arrested for
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Have also watched a documentary about the other bus driver in your post
But I don't think you generalise that to all bus drivers in the whole of the North ,!