Are you glad you voted Labour ?

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Sir Keir is firmly in his new seat and appears to be making waves... winter fuel, VAT on private school fees, UEFA watchdog type scenario, budgets... increase in CGT, 20% increase for Jr doctors, immigration learnings from Italy to pay other countries to take Immigrants and that's only what I briefly followed.
So my question is - are you still glad you voted Labour, or that they are in Power if you didn't? And what if you are not happy anymore - why ?
I'm on the fence so trying to be objective ;-)

Yes, because the alternative has been awful.

I didn't, but didn't vote Tory either. Labour are doing what they have to do after the Tories wrecked our country.

It wasn't the Tories Brexit. It was that twat Cameron.

Swiftly follow by the really thick idiots who voted to leave.

Can anyone please show me one thing that we've gained with Brexit?

And yes, I voted Labour. And boy, do I regret it. I never knew that they would waste no time looking for easy targets. Shows my stupidity. But also their stupidity. They have now lost the pensioners vote next time. If I'm lucky to still be here next time, I'll be loudly canvassing for anyone who ISN'T Labour.

Back stabbing liars.

They have now lost the pensioners vote next time.

Not the pensioner’s they haven’t. We don’t need an extra £2/300 and my vote isn’t dependent on being bribed.

I don't need the WFA either but unfortunately some do and they won't be eligible for PC either, I thought Starmer would target more well off people, hopefully he will take away child benefit from those earning over £50k. If pensioners on £12k don't need WFA, neither do high earners need CB

Child benefit is also means tested though, those on high incomes don't get it. Though I personally believe it should be based on household not personal income.

I thought it went up from £50k to £80k, maybe I was wrong. I don't have children so don't receive it but I'm sure it recently went up though hopefully he will put it back down in the budget

It went from 50k to 60k.

Very good point.

I don't get this whole thing about scrapping the WFA when we all know it is means tested and the people at the lowest income will still get it. Especially with the rise in pensions that's coming.

Actually I do get it - I blame the RW MSM yet again.

Why did Labour vehemently oppose the cut ten months ago then?

Great to see Labour supporters benefit bashing though. Funny old world.

Benefit bashing? What are you talking about? Don't you think benefits should be means tested?

Yes, I do. But I don’t believe Labour supporters would be agreeing with this cut if the Tories had made it. They would be saying that many pensioners would go cold and die. As to which…

…what about the fierce Labour condemnation of the cut 10 months ago? Was Labour doing the right-wing media’s job for it?

Yes. Very happy the winter fuel payment to wealthier pensioners has finally been put to bed.

Yes. Thank God the Tories terrible time in office with all of their corruption and incompetence has finally come to an end.

Yes. Enjoying the horror of some on Mumsnet who have benefitted from the Tories whilst the majority of the population paid for it. Oh the horror of VAT on private school fees ....

Why did Labour vehemently oppose the cut ten months ago then?

Because the were in opposition and it was their job. It’s exactly the same as the Tories weaponising early prison release when it started out as their policy that they didn’t have time to enact.

I think @Blossomtoes has answered that nicely.

And @calimali come to that.

Hth.

Oh I see. So we shouldn’t take anything they said in opposition as reliable. Got it. 👍

Labour’s pulled a giant confidence trick there, hasn’t it!

Did you read the bit about the Tories now opposing their own policies or are you ignoring it because it’s inconvenient as usual?

The Tories have welcomed some Labour policies. House building and NHS reform, for example

But that’s not the point. Labour went hammer and tongs on the ‘nasty, sleazy Tories’ line. Yet even on a matter like the welfare of the elderly they’ve abandoned what they said they stood for when in opposition.

Hypocrisy is not an attractive feature of any government.

You have got your VAT, which ironically at my school means less bursaries for talented kids that can’t afford to come here. What more do you want? We don’t want to educate our children in the state system. We have a right to do that. Force me to educate my children in the state system and I will send them overseas to school as will many of the other parents.

The Tories have welcomed some Labour policies. House building and NHS reform, for example

Non sequitur - what about opposing their own policies? Is that not hypocrisy? They had 14 years to reform the NHS and build houses, why didn’t they?

Why quote one part of a post - which was in any case immediately followed by “But that’s not the point”? Bit odd that.

I take it your argument is that Labour are in fact no better than the Tories, despite Labour’s many years of telling us otherwise.

But, and I’m sure you’d agree, this government’s fortunes will ultimately be decided on the economy. An awful lot of hypocrisy and lying can be overlooked for good economic stewardship and luck. Let’s see.

Oh dear. You seem to have missed the point.

Totally but completely predictable.

In what way have I missed the point? They said one thing - on WFA, for example - for humanitarian, caring credit, and did another. What’s to miss?

Yes, absolutely. The tories were a disaster for the country. It will take time for labour to undo the absolute shit show left behind but at least they are trying to improve the lives of the most vulnerable people unlike the last government who despise the general public and see them as nothing more than a cash point to make themselves more wealthy.