Are you glad you voted Labour ?

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Sir Keir is firmly in his new seat and appears to be making waves... winter fuel, VAT on private school fees, UEFA watchdog type scenario, budgets... increase in CGT, 20% increase for Jr doctors, immigration learnings from Italy to pay other countries to take Immigrants and that's only what I briefly followed.
So my question is - are you still glad you voted Labour, or that they are in Power if you didn't? And what if you are not happy anymore - why ?
I'm on the fence so trying to be objective ;-)

No, not from a Guardian article. I was having this discussion elsewhere a few days ago.

You're tying yourself in logical knots trying to suggest that billions in contracts in return for millions in donations are just fine for the Conservatives, because it's lawful, but it's somehow morally wrong for Labour to revise the salary bands in line with the massive inflation that the Conservatives foisted on the country (£170k now is the equivalent of £137k in 2020).

I'm no Labour supporter, I just find your hypocrisy highly amusing.

EDIT: By "hypocrisy", I mean the double standard of "lawfulness" for the Conservatives, but "morality" for Labour, all the while ignoring the maths of it all regarding inflation.

You’re not making sense now. You brought up contract awards by the last government. I didn’t. I pointed out that contract awards were irrelevant to Sue Gray’s pay.

The only logical reason for your bringing up contract awards is if the last government had done deals of donations for awards - troughing etc. (A bit like Blair’s exemption of F1 from tobacco sponsorship after a £1m donation from Ecclestone, though of course that was a political decision, not one about civil service-supervised government contracts.)

Contracts “in return for” donations would be thoroughly wrong and against the law and the rules, by both donor and governing party. But even the Guardian article - which coincidentally refers to the very same companies you did - doesn’t allege that.

If you can’t see why demanding a higher publicly-funded salary which is agreed directly by the Prime Minister is different to government procurement I can’t help you.

I think this has run its course.

Heh, sure.

And...having read the Guardian article now, my list is not the same.

And, frankly, if you can't see how a lower-than-inflation pay rise is different from manipulated procurement practices, then this really was a hopeless discussion. Which has basically been my point all along.

Theresa May had two chiefs of staff, each on £140k. Frankly that makes Sue Gray look like a positive bargain.

I can't believe people are even still talking about Sue Gray! As if anything out of the ordinary has happened there.

I tactically voted Lib Dem (and they got in) But I'm glad Labour are in power.

I don't know enough about most of those contracts/contractors referred to above to comment individually, but QInetiq is a defense industry research/ contractor with responsibility to direct money into areas of promise. So it is, at least partly, something of a blue skies/ideas operator, with the remit of exploring new stuff and so not held to the ROI crieria of some more practically focused parts of the system.

It shouldn't be a matter of defending Labour for not being as bad as the Tories. They need to be good in their own right.

I think plenty of people on here have said they're happy.

Not everyone believes the way some of these stories are presented currently, and also most people are able to still see good is happening even if there are some not very good bits.

Yes they are much better than the tories.

Yes. Sir Keir is a much needed breath of fresh air. I know that with my username this may seem like a surprising thing to say!

I love the way he keeps calm and composed, and I’ve also witnessed him actually answering questions instead of dodging and deflecting.

The only reaon why I didnt vote for labour is because I tactically voted to get the tories out.

I have mixed feelings so far.
Nhs payrise ( im ahp)but would have likes a tiny bit more than 5.5%
Means tested winter fuel is ok but the threshhold is waaay too low. I am worried that some elderly will freeze...they feel the cold.
I heard the free bus pass might go...this is awful....the elderly are far less mobile.
i agree with taxing private school feex unless the child is on a scholarship or from a poorer background ( should be means tested again i reckon).

Not every old person is a rich boomer.

I will see how it pans out but imo all political parties have big failings.

Fees*

I'm in my late 60s and I still want it.

I'm glad that the evidence seems to show that the red to blue slide that used to happen with middle age happens far less now.

I’m 71 and I’m with you.

Hi everyone! Can't we ask all the private schools to convert themselves into either state schools or grant subsidised schools? The only difference is they will have to take up more students. In this way, all tax payers are entitled to send their kids to free education which is the law? I don't think the government can refuse this as long as they have achieved the requirements?

State school funding - 7.5k per pupil
Eton - 63K per pupil

I voted Green and have since Starmer got in. I knew they would fuck people over, I just didn’t think they’d go after pensioners.

How have they gone after pensioners? Pensions are going up.

Or do you think all pensioners should get the WFA, even if they are on a decent pension and can afford their own bills?

Absolutely.

You're sad that Reform didn't win more seats and you don't know anyone that is happy with a left wing country?

Having to properly sit on my hands to not type what I want to type right now...

At least you'll always have The Daily Mail, I guess?

State school funding - 7.5k + teacher pensions + all capital expenditure all paid by taxpayers

Average private school - 15k per pupil - includes pensions and capital expenditure. None paid by tax payers.

Eton - 63k per pupil

Parody account?

What are you even talking about I’m very much a real person thank you very much 🖕