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Grandparents shouting at son - AIBU?

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TormundGiantsbane · 15/09/2024 21:11

Looking for some advice or grounding to help me try to reflect on whether I am being insane/overreacting. My first Mumsnet post so sorry if I get it wrong.

I have a relatively good relationship with my parents: they didn’t raise me particularly well (lots of arguments, shouting, etc) but nothing shocking. Very middle class so behaviours that probably should have been checked (keeping us out at parties all night, leaving us unattended for weekends) went unchecked. They’ve been quite active grandparents in our son’s life since he was born with little to no problems. However, over the years their drinking has increased to a level that’s beyond reasonable and so we limit activity with them where there may be alcohol involved.

Our child is our only child, and my parents do childcare two days per week (pick up from school and give him dinner). He’s now 10.

Today our son told us that last month when he was at their house his grandparents both took him into a room and “shouted in his face” about the fact that he didn’t speak much at dinner (he was hungry and he was eating) and told him “if you want to be in this house you need to speak to guests” (they had relatives visiting). Whenever he tried to explain they told him to “shut up”.

He told us been upset for weeks but too scared to tell us because he’s worried how his grandparents will react. That would check out, as we’ve noticed him sensitive to a gentle telling off and overly apologetic/borderline frantic about mistakes.

I called them to talk about it, and they straight up denied the incident ever happened. I can’t figure out why our son would lie - he isn’t a liar and he is genuinely upset about the incident. After denying it, their response was “well if he doesn’t feel safe here he shouldn’t be here then”. I said great, we’re in agreement on that and I have left it at that.

They’re now trying frantically to get in touch with me. They’ve sent several texts, which confirmed they did indeed shout at him and “must have told him to shut up, but we don’t remember” but “the rest of the day was lovely so he can’t have been upset”.

I’ve confirmed that, for the moment, we no longer require them for childcare. My in-laws also live local and help out, so between them, DH and myself we can find a way to make school drop off and pick up work an extra two days a week.

Am I being unreasonable to cut contact? I feel like this is far far beyond the realm of normal grandparent behaviour and I am absolutely furious. Should DS express a desire to see them again I will of course make it happen, but only if they agree to strict rules (no drinking whilst he’s in their care, absolutely no shouting, etc).

Any advice or reassurance appreciated. My upbringing with them wasn’t the best and as a result I am an anxious people-pleaser who’s terrified I’ve overreacted.

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thunderbanana · 15/09/2024 21:15

Not sure I’d of left my child in the care of them in the first place

but I certainly wouldn’t after this, not sure who you’re expecting to come along and say yabu from what you’ve said here

From the opening part, i thought your question would be whether yabu to not let them look after your dc in the first place

HoppityBun · 15/09/2024 21:17

Do you have to cut contact? Just don’t leave your DS with them. The drinking is really worrying. Trust your instincts- you already know that he wasn’t lying and they did lie, at first anyway

TormundGiantsbane · 15/09/2024 21:22

thunderbanana · 15/09/2024 21:15

Not sure I’d of left my child in the care of them in the first place

but I certainly wouldn’t after this, not sure who you’re expecting to come along and say yabu from what you’ve said here

From the opening part, i thought your question would be whether yabu to not let them look after your dc in the first place

When he was smaller (and the drinking to excess was at social events as opposed to daily) they were brilliant with him. They seemed to really flourish in the grandparent role in a way they couldn’t as parents - probably because it was only the odd day of care here and there. Over the last few months we’ve been noticing when we pick him up about 6pm they’re already a bottle or two of wine down with more on the go. We’d already been discussing whether we needed to address this with them, but then this incident happened and it’s superseded it all in a way.

They feel we “need” them for the childcare, and so have “no right to dictate what that looks like”. It’s not feeling like it’s the best place for him to be at the moment but they’ve accused me of severely overreacting.

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TormundGiantsbane · 15/09/2024 21:24

HoppityBun · 15/09/2024 21:17

Do you have to cut contact? Just don’t leave your DS with them. The drinking is really worrying. Trust your instincts- you already know that he wasn’t lying and they did lie, at first anyway

To be honest, we don’t see them much outside of childcare pick up and drop off. We holiday together (with wider family) every second Christmas but it’s always very dramatic and there’s some sort of escalation or argument.

they have since confirmed they did shout at him, but it’s up to them how they chose to treat him whilst he’s in their care. In that case, we’re thinking no more childcare at all.

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MollyRover · 15/09/2024 21:25

You're definitely doing the right thing, you're showing your child that they can rely on you to support them and that your parents behaviour is wrong. Do you have siblings? Could you get their take on it?

yingyanglife · 15/09/2024 21:26

I definitely don't think you're being unreasonable!

Cutting contact completely is obviously something you need to really think about, but in terms of looking after their grandchild.. could you trust them again?

Their behaviour was vile and then they had the audacity to lie about it and basically accuse your son of lying about it. Then when they saw manipulating the situation wasn't working, they tried to twist it by half arse accepting what they did and barely taking any responsibility!

Unhinged behaviour!

Min133 · 15/09/2024 21:27

They upset him and frightened him so much he was afraid to tell you. That would be enough for me to go NC or certainly never force him to be in their presence again either supervised or unsupervised. The only person to people please here is your son. Show him that you believe him, have listened and understood and that you will do what is necessary to protect him. He needs to know that he can tell you anything and that you will always help him. Otherwise next time he may not tell you something or come to you for help

Longhotsummers · 15/09/2024 21:28

The drinking alone would have been a hard no from me for childcare.

BeachRide · 15/09/2024 21:29

If they're a 'bottle or more down' then they're not capable of caring for your son anyway. Your son has learned people-pleasing from you. Time to break the pattern.

AmyFarrahFowler1 · 15/09/2024 21:32

Wouldn’t leave my kids with people who thought it was acceptable to leave a child alone for the weekend 🫤

BeMintBee · 15/09/2024 21:34

I cut contact with mine after a similar experience (funnily enough I also had a questionable childhood and initially my parents really rose to the occasion as grandparents but when the dc became a similar age to your son there was a change in how they behaved towards them)

it wasn’t just because of the behaviour (by my dad) but the lying and covering up (by mum) that followed. Would never have trusted them again with my kids.

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 15/09/2024 21:35

I think you're minimising how piss poor their behaviour was when you were a kid tbh.

They sound really not nice people and your ds deserves better.

DevotedSisterBelovedCunt · 15/09/2024 21:36

As well as the implications that you and PP have mentioned, I think it's also worth pointing out that they were happy to put your own relationship with your DS at risk (by effectively telling you that he was lying to you) rather than admit the truth.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 15/09/2024 21:38

No childcare from them ever again.

marsvisit · 15/09/2024 21:39

I had similar parents and would never in a million years leave my child with them unattended, let alone get myself into a position where I relied on them for any kind of childcare.

TormundGiantsbane · 15/09/2024 21:40

AmyFarrahFowler1 · 15/09/2024 21:32

Wouldn’t leave my kids with people who thought it was acceptable to leave a child alone for the weekend 🫤

Well, the not-so-funny thing is they now straight up deny that ever happened. My eldest brother and I have very clear memories of being left all weekend (from about age 13 onwards) and having to look after our younger sibling (who was 5). When we bring it up now all we get is a “what?! We would never have done that?!”

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Heyisforhorses · 15/09/2024 21:41

On a 3rd bottle by 6pm and you still let them collect and look after your child? I don't understand how you let that go. Was he in a car with them? You were "discussing" if you needed to speak with them? I know someone who has this issue but they don't want to spend money on childcare so ignore the issue. Cut the childcare with them and sort something else, look after your DS and what he needs not what is convenient for you.

TormundGiantsbane · 15/09/2024 21:43

BeMintBee · 15/09/2024 21:34

I cut contact with mine after a similar experience (funnily enough I also had a questionable childhood and initially my parents really rose to the occasion as grandparents but when the dc became a similar age to your son there was a change in how they behaved towards them)

it wasn’t just because of the behaviour (by my dad) but the lying and covering up (by mum) that followed. Would never have trusted them again with my kids.

Thank you for sharing - I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s experienced it. My husband and I always used to say “terrible parents, great grandparents”, but as DS has got older and older that’s become the case less and less.

I think it’s the lying that concerns me most. And also the fact DS, who usually is very open with us, took almost a month to feel he could talk about it. I’m worried there may be more revelations to come. I’ve been clear with him that we would NEVER expect any adult in his life to treat him that way, and that we are furious and he doesn’t have to go back until he wants to (if he does).

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TormundGiantsbane · 15/09/2024 21:46

Heyisforhorses · 15/09/2024 21:41

On a 3rd bottle by 6pm and you still let them collect and look after your child? I don't understand how you let that go. Was he in a car with them? You were "discussing" if you needed to speak with them? I know someone who has this issue but they don't want to spend money on childcare so ignore the issue. Cut the childcare with them and sort something else, look after your DS and what he needs not what is convenient for you.

thanks for your response but I take immense exception to you saying we are doing what’s convenient for us - it’s actually more convenient for us to not have him with them and have him with his other grandparents instead, but he’s always expressed a desire to have equal time with both sets of grandparents and so we’ve accommodated that right up until today when he told us he no longer wants that.

I should point out they don’t drive with him when under the influence; although that doesn’t make the drinking ok and it still remains a huge issue for us.

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suburberphobe · 15/09/2024 21:46

Why do you even need to ask?^

Of course they are abusive to him.

You need to go to therapy as to why you allow this and think this is ok.

Another child who will grow up fucked up. Stop this shit. Generational trauma is a thing.

LittleBitAlexisLaLaLaLaLa · 15/09/2024 21:46

You’re definitely doing the right thing regarding no more childcare from them. Shutting your son in a room so they could take turns shouting at him (for not talking enough while he was eating?!) and then accusing him of lying to you about it is really fucking horrible behaviour. The fact your poor kid didn’t tell you for ages makes me wonder if there was more to it as well- a threat, a nasty little guilt trip, telling him no one would believe him etc…

NewName24 · 15/09/2024 21:47

Am I being unreasonable to cut contact?

Completely ? Yes

In that case, we’re thinking no more childcare at all.

YANBU to make sure that you , or dh, or both are with him when they visit or you visit them.

NZDreaming · 15/09/2024 21:55

@TormundGiantsbane my parents were also shouty, discipline focused and conveniently ‘forget’ or deny instances from childhood (although maybe not quite as neglectful as yours). People who are close to their parents and who grew up with the emotional support they needed find it hard to understand why you would find it easier to walk away than confront the issue. I’ve had a lot of therapy, I can now see my parents without feeling guilt/inadequacy/stress but our relationship is very surface level.

Your parents, as you say, have performed well with being grandparents as it’s very different to having a child full time but they’ve failed at this too. Not only have they severely scared your son over a non-issue (not even something that would warrant minor discipline) but they then accused him of lying to cover up their awful behaviour. It doesn’t sound like continuing a relationship with your parents is in your or your son’s best interest right now.

Secradonugh · 15/09/2024 21:57

I really suggest not cutting contact completely. If they ever are willing to listen then it's the time that you can tell them about their drinking.. apart from that you have to remove him from their care hes safer at home alone than with them. Also I'd say that the weekends away was something that we had as well, but the difference was no much younger child to look after, it was all discussed before hand and if we ever said no they wouldn't have gone. They also would phone at least 3 times to make sure we were okay.

Irridescantshimmmer · 15/09/2024 21:57

Your parents behaviour towards your DS is abusive and from now don't leave him alone with them, not even one minute.

If he is left with them unsupervised the chances of you DS having PTSD from their emotional abuse is likely. They may ramp up the abuse in the future out of pure willfulness multiplied by revenge and that causes a massive amount of damage to a childs' psyche.

Stop it whilst you can and protect your son, those two are wicked.