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I don’t like my sister and I don’t care about her “mental health”

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Hoverfly1 · 15/09/2024 15:59

My sister is an alcoholic, she has lost her children because of it. She just sits in her filthy house all day drinking. She never makes any effort to deal with any of her problems, she denies that she drinks but she very much does, I think all day every day levels of alcoholism. I am sure that this is what the majority of her issues are caused by. She says she has bad anxiety and depression so can’t do anything for herself. She won’t even leave her house to go to the shop and will make out mum fetch anything she needs (my mum won’t buy her alcohol though and she clearly manages to get out the house for that).

She constantly phones me and my mum day and night about the most ridiculous things when she is drunk. Arguments she has had with her ex partner or things that have happened years ago, she once called me relentlessly in the middle of the night to tell me all her problems were my fault because I once pushed her off a swing when we were kids (I did do this when I was about 7).

If she doesn’t get enough attention from us because we are both busy (dm is 63 still works full time and my sisters children also live with her full time so she has a huge amount on her plate already, I am a single parent with a full time job) she will start sending us photos of self harm or threatening to kill herself, she has also harmed herself and phoned ambulances a lot in the past which means my mother will have to go and pick her up from hospital at all times of the night.

She once told me she had cancer and was going to die, which I never believed but she would message me about it every day telling me about the drs appointments she had been too. Once it became clear no one believed her she just deleted all the messages she’s sent about it and denied she had ever said it, then accused me of making things up and “gaslighting” her. she has also made up having dementia and pregnancies and miscarriages as well.

Todays she sent me a message first thing the morning implying she had been sexually assaulted. When I ignored it because I was driving she immediately followed it up with self harm photos. When i asked her where she was she said she had gone to stay with friends for a few days and been out drinking with them, despite the fact that she hasn’t bothered to walk down the street to see her own children for months because she of her “anxiety”. At that moment I just realised I don’t care anymore. I don’t like her as a person and I’m sick of being manipulated by her. I told her she was selfish and manipulative and asked her not to contact me again. I also suffer from depression and anxiety which I take medication for and I find the way she behaves very hard to deal with. I think this makes it harder for me to feel sorry for her though because I HAVE to deal with my problems there so no one to step in and help me if I don’t want to get out of bed one day. I can’t understand why she doesn’t want to help herself a little bit, I’m starting to thinks she actually likes living like this.

I know this makes me a bad person because she obviously does have issues but I honestly don’t want to ever see her or talk to her again I know other people will judge me for it, i also know she will have shared the message I sent to her with a lot of people who will think I’m being horrible, she will very likely harm herself in some way because of it I’m scared she will actually do something serious.

How are you supposed to deal with someone like this without making things worse for them!?

OP posts:
Pupinskipops · 21/09/2024 19:38

Ifoughthefight · 15/09/2024 19:18

Like the majority of such people she simply has given up on life, because sometimes can be hard. That is not a nice person to be around nor a person who is interested in anyone else. Let her face a full head on collision, which either will make her or break her not, because she already is broken anyway but does not care about it.

Stop any contact.

Imagine how broken you must be to give up on life.

Pupinskipops · 21/09/2024 19:41

Differentstarts · 15/09/2024 19:31

She isn't diagnosed with bpd she's an alcoholic their very very different things

She is an alcoholic and has a diagnosed mental health disorder - BPD, the OP thinks.

Insight122 · 21/09/2024 19:42

Love the person, hate their behaviour.
AA suggests you have to let a person hit rock bottom before they will seek help. Don't be an enabler. They can suck life out of you to get what they want. So hard to do but sadly nothing else has worked.

Scentedjasmin · 21/09/2024 20:02

I'm sort of in a somewhat similar position insofar as I have an alcoholic sister with MH conditions and end stage liver failure. It's really difficult. I also suffer from anxiety and low mood so her situation doesn't help.

What has helped me is educating myself about addiction and the impacts upon the brain and thought process. She's not a bad person, just someone with a big addiction problem. Separating out the two for me has helped alleviate some of my frustration, anger and sadness at her situation. I can still recognise my sister as the person she once was and see the alcoholic/addiction as a different set of traits. That has helped my sanity a little.

You say that you don't care, but of course you do. If anything you have cared too much and have simply been pushed emotionally to a point where you cannot take it. That definitely doesn't make you a bad person. You are obviously still very worried about her.

Unfortunately family are often not best placed to help an addict. They don't have the professional skills and it takes its toll on them.

A great book that I would highly recommend is : helping an addict, whilst keeping your sanity. I think that's the title. I'll post a link. Usually i can't be bothered reading self self type books, but I could dip in and out of it and it has definitely helped me.

It's a very sad situation all round.

Bagpuss1204 · 21/09/2024 20:23

You are being selfish, your sister is ill she needs support and help and if you are any sort of sister help her and not slag her off, she doesn't want to be like this she didn't wake up one day and ask for this, my selfish sister don't have anything to do with me because of my health and I will forgive her now.

Bagpuss1204 · 21/09/2024 20:26

I meant I won't forgive my sister for her selfish reasons, she never visits me or does anything to help me she never brings my parents to me ' she never visits me but complains that I don't do enough for our parents she just wants their money when they are gone.

OrchardBlack · 21/09/2024 20:26

She has also made up having pregnancies and miscarriages as well

For this alone she can fuck off.

HF75 · 21/09/2024 20:28

It doesn't make you a bad person it makes you someone that is prioritising their health and well-being so they can be a good mum. You can't help someone that doesn't want to help themselves and it will just drag you down. I would concentrate on your own family and supporting your Mum where you can

OrchardBlack · 21/09/2024 20:29

Bagpuss1204 · 21/09/2024 20:26

I meant I won't forgive my sister for her selfish reasons, she never visits me or does anything to help me she never brings my parents to me ' she never visits me but complains that I don't do enough for our parents she just wants their money when they are gone.

Go see your parents yourself. It's not for someone else to 'bring them' to you like you're the queen of sodding Babylon.

PassingStranger · 21/09/2024 20:29

What a drain, your well rid.

JMSA · 21/09/2024 20:32

This is really fucked up.
Do you have a background of trauma?
Must be hard for you too, OP Flowers

Thedreamlife · 21/09/2024 20:38

Hoverfly1 · 15/09/2024 15:59

My sister is an alcoholic, she has lost her children because of it. She just sits in her filthy house all day drinking. She never makes any effort to deal with any of her problems, she denies that she drinks but she very much does, I think all day every day levels of alcoholism. I am sure that this is what the majority of her issues are caused by. She says she has bad anxiety and depression so can’t do anything for herself. She won’t even leave her house to go to the shop and will make out mum fetch anything she needs (my mum won’t buy her alcohol though and she clearly manages to get out the house for that).

She constantly phones me and my mum day and night about the most ridiculous things when she is drunk. Arguments she has had with her ex partner or things that have happened years ago, she once called me relentlessly in the middle of the night to tell me all her problems were my fault because I once pushed her off a swing when we were kids (I did do this when I was about 7).

If she doesn’t get enough attention from us because we are both busy (dm is 63 still works full time and my sisters children also live with her full time so she has a huge amount on her plate already, I am a single parent with a full time job) she will start sending us photos of self harm or threatening to kill herself, she has also harmed herself and phoned ambulances a lot in the past which means my mother will have to go and pick her up from hospital at all times of the night.

She once told me she had cancer and was going to die, which I never believed but she would message me about it every day telling me about the drs appointments she had been too. Once it became clear no one believed her she just deleted all the messages she’s sent about it and denied she had ever said it, then accused me of making things up and “gaslighting” her. she has also made up having dementia and pregnancies and miscarriages as well.

Todays she sent me a message first thing the morning implying she had been sexually assaulted. When I ignored it because I was driving she immediately followed it up with self harm photos. When i asked her where she was she said she had gone to stay with friends for a few days and been out drinking with them, despite the fact that she hasn’t bothered to walk down the street to see her own children for months because she of her “anxiety”. At that moment I just realised I don’t care anymore. I don’t like her as a person and I’m sick of being manipulated by her. I told her she was selfish and manipulative and asked her not to contact me again. I also suffer from depression and anxiety which I take medication for and I find the way she behaves very hard to deal with. I think this makes it harder for me to feel sorry for her though because I HAVE to deal with my problems there so no one to step in and help me if I don’t want to get out of bed one day. I can’t understand why she doesn’t want to help herself a little bit, I’m starting to thinks she actually likes living like this.

I know this makes me a bad person because she obviously does have issues but I honestly don’t want to ever see her or talk to her again I know other people will judge me for it, i also know she will have shared the message I sent to her with a lot of people who will think I’m being horrible, she will very likely harm herself in some way because of it I’m scared she will actually do something serious.

How are you supposed to deal with someone like this without making things worse for them!?

I can relate.
Walk away it's the only thing you can do for your own mental health.
It was all my fault too.
It hurt me like crazy but she then had to step up. She gave up a 5 year old child and went from drugs to alcohol, which sadly she died off at 37.

You can only help people that want helping!

Mumof3confused · 21/09/2024 20:50

I stopped communicating with my sister 14 years ago and my life has been so peaceful ever since.

HonoraryMummy · 21/09/2024 21:28

I actually thought I was reading something I had written. This sounds like my sister! My mother and I have been through the horrors with her. She's ruining her children's lives and ruined the last years of her partner's life. She bullied and tormented a woman who was foolish enough to think she was a friend. She gaslighted and smeared my mother and me all over Facebook. This kind of person is toxic, they are emotional vampires. Best ignore her. I am so afraid of my awful sister that I don't post anything personal online because she has stalked my friends in the past and tried to convince them that I am the problem.

Mags1001 · 21/09/2024 21:30

I read the title & thought my sister had joined mumsnet 😁😁
Then off course i read the rest of the thread.
Your right to take a step back, otherwise it will affect your health too.
She needs to help herself

Toadstool52 · 21/09/2024 21:31

This sounds difficult for you. I'd be inclined to keep my distance. She sounds very unwell and your mental health is important and comes first. I hope she's in contact with the
appropriate services.
I feel sorry for your mam and she's the one I'd support, in your shoes. X

Beachygal · 21/09/2024 21:33

You're not a bad person at all in what you said. I have a sister who's been diagnosed with bipolar and a personality disorder, she has an 11 yr old daughter, and she behaves exactly like yours does. I decided last year I was done with her bc I couldn't take the abuse and manipulation anymore. Her behaviour was affecting my own mental health and also my marriage. So I decided to cut her off. I don't feel guilty and certainly don't see myself as being bad or wrong for doing so. Your own mental and emotional health matters too, we all have our limits, how much compassion and empathy can we have when we are constantly being abused? I say focus on your own mental health, your family and pray for your sister. That's the best you can do. She's not your responsibility, especially if she has moments of clarity, she can help herself if she wanted to, just like my sister could but she chooses not to. Move on with your life. Help your mom where you can and try to be there for your niece's and nephews, but put yourself first because no one else will. You have a child depending on you and can't allow your sister to drain the life out of you. All the best xx.

Nantescalling · 21/09/2024 21:42

I think you have been doing too much for too long.

Can you imagine how she enjoys manipulating you and your Mum. I hope you can both cut her loose.

There is absolutely nothing positive in your relationship with her. She has become toxic.

FloozyMcGee · 21/09/2024 22:00

It's probably been said but here goes: I am an alcoholic and sober for 25 years. I also have experienced mental health challenges and made suicide attempts. At 62, my life is now incredible. And it's not because people supported me being that way--it's because the consequences of my own actions became intolerable so I had to change those things to be happy.
You are NOT a bad person for this you have to take care of yourself to be able to help others, and, actually by cutting off contact, you are helping her by allowing her to solve her own problems or live with the consequences. It's her choice to make. If she doesn't respect your choice (and she probably won't--in fact, I expect she'll double down at first), block her. You deserve peace in your life. If you continue to experience guilt, or are having trouble holding your boundaries, you may find therapy, or at least Al-Anon helpful. Oh, and a book called "Stop Walking on Eggshells" may also be useful.
Best of luck to you.

Supersimkin7 · 21/09/2024 22:10

Her problems might not be her fault but they’re definitely not your fault.

You can’t help her. That’s the trouble with drink - the drunk has to want to change.

After a while alcohol poisons the brain and personality ‘deteriorates’ cos the frontal lobes get holes in them. No empathy, no truthfulness, no memory, no conscience. ‘Disinhibition’ kicks in.

Setting yourself on fire can’t put a drunk out. Stay out of it.

Kidznurse · 21/09/2024 22:13

My mother was an alcoholic died young, my brother was an alcoholic and died young. You can’t do anything for them and as awful as it sounds you have to walk away or she’ll just drag you down, tie you up in irreversible guilt which you don’t deserve. Sorry it’s hard but there’s nothing you can do to change her.

Doodleflips · 21/09/2024 22:24

@Hoverfly1
it doesn’t make you a bad person to prioritise your own mental health over hers.
You can’t pour from an empty cup, and it sounds like whatever you do, it won’t be enough.
Always disappoint someone else, before you disappoint yourself.

Yummers8 · 21/09/2024 22:26

I just want to send you love.
Take care of yourself, your sister is a mess but she may never “own” this.
Live your best life, no one has the right to spoil it or drag you down.
Chin up sister!

Laurmolonlabe · 21/09/2024 22:29

No I don't think you are being unreasonable-if anyone rings me up drunk and is not making sense I just hang up. People who are really self harming do not send pictures of it to anyone.
You have 2 choices cut contact with her, or, next time she tries to commit suicide (or pretends get her sectioned- so she can get psychiatric help, which clearly she needs, whether she is serious about suicide or not. With the signature of your mother ,you and a doctor (or 2) you can have her sectioned-getting Psychiactric help is usually difficult but if she is sectioned it will be forthcoming.