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CF Neighbours plans

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Arewe29 · 14/09/2024 13:54

I need to rant!

Got a letter from the council to say that my neighbours are building an extension, went around to ask for a full copy of the plans, as where we live (hill) will cause issues to our house. They said that they did not have any and that they did not know planning was even sought, bullshit!

I went online and yep there plans show that they are trying to build on our bloody land. Fuck me they must think I am stupid.

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marmiteisnttheonlyspread · 19/09/2024 19:46

If you sell legal fees etc must be paid for by the NDN in addition to the actual land.

Even if they move back the 9” you need written assurances/ sight of insurance documents etc that any damage is made good by them/their builder/their insurance.

You could also do with timescales - what will happen if builder goes bust/injures himself etc.

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Arewe29 · 19/09/2024 19:46

TonTonMacoute · 19/09/2024 19:00

Yes, I get all that.

Has PP been granted yet? If not there is plenty of scope for compromise via the planning officer whose case it is

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A planning officer is not going to act as a go between.

They will look at the drawings and decide if its lawful.

We have asked for drawings and what they intend to do, any architect knows they make the plans with as little details as possible so that they can push the work.

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winewolfhowls · 19/09/2024 20:24

This thread is a joy to read, so satisfying to read OPs outwitting of the CFCs at every turn!

BlackShuck3 · 19/09/2024 20:35

I'm rooting for you op, you can easily defeat this pair of twits😁

JEM68 · 19/09/2024 20:40

Anyone can make an application for land not in their ownership. However, as part of the application they should serve notice on the landowner advising them an application is being made. They then need to complete a certificate ‘b’ which goes to the LPA with the application. If permission is granted by the authority it does not override the need for the permission of the landowner to carry out the works.

Trumptonagain · 19/09/2024 20:54

Arewe29 · 19/09/2024 18:33

This is part of the plans they have submitted as you can see the boundary is running straight through part of the wall they want to build and the a massive tree right behind it. plans are not to scale of course

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I'm invested in this thread now. ...but...I can't see any plans have they been taken down?

OVienna · 19/09/2024 21:17

Arewe29 · 19/09/2024 17:58

As I pointed out to them a party wall agreement is to protect them as well as us.

I am hoping that their surveyor and architect talk some sense into them, and they have to ask us to agree to their works if and when they go ahead.
I will take great pleasure in making them ask for it and say you mean when I asked for it before and you said fuck off and HA, I will actually make them squirm it will be wonderful.

Another thing that my Party wall surveyor has noticed is that there is someone else on the deeds not the neighbours BF, they will have to be contacted and agree to the works. Honestly its a shit show.

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Whaaaat?????

LetsSeeHowFarWeveCome · 19/09/2024 21:35

TonTonMacoute · 19/09/2024 19:00

Yes, I get all that.

Has PP been granted yet? If not there is plenty of scope for compromise via the planning officer whose case it is

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WTF should the OP compromise on anything here?
The CF neighbours have zero right to build on her land. Zero. And they need to ensure the building they are planning to do doesn't negatively affect OP's land. So they need a party wall.

HauntedbyMagpies · 19/09/2024 21:42

JohnofWessex · 19/09/2024 12:07

If they are using offensive language towards you I suggest a call to The Police is in order.

An ASBO or whatever they are called these days may well stop them on the cheap

Call the police because someone called you a name? This isn't a school playground and the police are not the teacher!

I despair, I really do.

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Arewe29 · 19/09/2024 21:56

OVienna · 19/09/2024 21:17

Whaaaat?????

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Whaat??????

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HaveSomeIntrospect · 19/09/2024 22:08

This thread has got classics written all over it 😁

OVienna · 19/09/2024 22:40

Arewe29 · 19/09/2024 21:56

Whaat??????

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They don't own the property? O.M.F.G.

OVienna · 19/09/2024 22:41

Who's on the deeds?

Londonrach1 · 19/09/2024 22:45

Well done op. Can't believe they thought they get away with this

Londonrach1 · 19/09/2024 22:45

Who's the person on the deeds...this gets more interesting...

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 19/09/2024 22:50

HauntedbyMagpies · 19/09/2024 21:42

Call the police because someone called you a name? This isn't a school playground and the police are not the teacher!

I despair, I really do.

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Our unfriendly neighbour has called us names, me especially, I get the c-word a lot, basically whenever I go outside and they're around. The Safer Neighbourhood Team got involved when the neighbour swore at a child on its way to school for 'talking too loudly'. The SNT came to talk to us to check on the neighbourly situation, and we told them about the verbal abuse. Apparently swearing in public is a public order offence, we had some of it on our newly installed Ring doorbell, and after listening to it the SNT went and gave unfriendly neighbour a stern warning with the threat of further action if the swearing continued.

So yes, the police do take an interest when swearing occurs in public between neighbours. SNT told us they prefer to intervene before a situation escalates.

TheDogIsInCharge · 19/09/2024 23:43

Secradonugh · 19/09/2024 16:05

I don't want to scare you, but it may be worth putting in cctv. There have been quite a few occasions were neighbours have taken the law into their own hands and although you are in the right, I can see these cfc doing petty vandalism to your cars or your fencing. If they believe that they are in the right and you force them to pay a lot of money on the party wall dispute, then they may well be stupid and do something stupid. Especially if you have pets.

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A friend of mine had his cat and his dog poisoned by evil fucker neighbours. Very recently.

And my mum's friend had their dog horribly killed in a racially motivated attack.

I still cannot believe people would do what they did and live normal lives alongside their neighbours. Absolutely chilling.

Be careful OP. But also, I really hope you take them to the fucking cleaners, in a party wall manner.

TheDogIsInCharge · 19/09/2024 23:48

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 19/09/2024 17:00

Party wall awards are great! When we did our extension, the neighbour on one side gave written permission immediately on being formally asked via the .gov party wall standard letter, while the very unfriendly other side neighbour refused and insisted on a party wall surveyor. They chose the surveyor, we had to pay. No problem, we paid the bill and got the party wall award.

Six months later, works nearly finished and council building inspector scheduled for final inspection and sign-off of the works, and unfriendly neighbour sends solicitor's letter to say their property has been damaged by our building works and there's an issue with damp and possible subsidence. Their party wall surveyor, who we paid for, goes around to inspect their complaint, and points out to them - with before and after photos - that the damage they speak of was already there at the time of the award before our work started!

Ha ha, they thought they'd get us to pay for their repairs but it was their surveyor who put the kibosch on that! Their repairs would have been in the tens of thousands while the fee we paid their surveyor was £1200. Money very well spent!! Without the award and the photos, we would not have been able to prove their damage existed before our work started. Hahahaha CFs - didn't work so well for you, did it?! And with the council building inspector involved, they've been given a notice to repair as - wait for it - the council building inspector deems it unsafe to leave much longer in case it impacts our new extension's foundations. Hahahahaha.

Good luck OP - glad you and other side neighbour have got a good party wall surveyor involved.

When we built an extension I was MORE than happy to have a party wall surveyor as I guessed one of our neighbours would chance something like this...

Six months later, our extension had indeed apparently caused issues... all bollocks of course. No neighbours, you have issues because some previous tenants poured concrete down the drains to stop leaks...

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Arewe29 · 20/09/2024 02:00

OVienna · 19/09/2024 22:41

Who's on the deeds?

One of the CFC is on the deeds, the other the BF who has applied is not on the deeds.

I would take it, its an ex partner, they both have to agree to the party wall agreement which could be a blessing or a curse.

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Arewe29 · 20/09/2024 02:05

TheDogIsInCharge · 19/09/2024 23:48

When we built an extension I was MORE than happy to have a party wall surveyor as I guessed one of our neighbours would chance something like this...

Six months later, our extension had indeed apparently caused issues... all bollocks of course. No neighbours, you have issues because some previous tenants poured concrete down the drains to stop leaks...

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As I explained to CFC neighbour a party wall agreement is to protect both of us. If the work does go ahead, and I have no issue with the what they want to build, its a lot better than they have now, just not on our land and if the wall is needed on our land that they put the correct notices in and bloody work with us.

This could have all been avoided if they did not act like wankers, and actually spoken to us.

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Fraaahnces · 20/09/2024 02:25

Here's to wondering if the ex-partner's legal involvement is something they have wanted to avoid being one of their stupid reasons for being CFC's

ApolloandDaphne · 20/09/2024 07:06

I've no advice to offer you but having read the entire thread I'm now very invested in the outcome!

JohnofWessex · 20/09/2024 08:13

Has the 'other party' on the deeds been notified?

Well he has a great opportunity to get his name taken off

SilkFloss · 20/09/2024 08:15

Sorry, what does BF mean, in this context?

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Arewe29 · 20/09/2024 08:22

SilkFloss · 20/09/2024 08:15

Sorry, what does BF mean, in this context?

Boyfriend/long term partner

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