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Would you go on this night out?

70 replies

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 07:45

My partner and I moved in together about a year ago and so see each other every day.

We probably only go out where he used to live once every couple of months or so for a night out and, when we do, there are invariably a lot of people he hasn't seen for a while or doesn't see very often. A lot of these people are friends (m&f) of over 20/30 years who he once knew very well but life has meant they don't see each other often nowadays. They keep in touch via SM and occasional messages.

When we do go out and see them, they all obviously want to catch up.

I find that, on these nights he actually spends very little time with me. Eg if we go to a gig, he'll spend the time before the band plays and in breaks socialising and chatting with others and stands with me to actually watch the band but we're only standing next to each other - neither of us wants to talk because we're watching the band and it's too loud anyway! So he spends probably an equal amount of time with me (which is what he sees) but I can go for a whole night not really having interacted with him much beyond motioning that I'm going to the loo/bar.

I tend to leave him to catch up with his friends. They talk about people they know, things they've done, people they've bumped into and occasionally reminisce about the past which is understandable but I can't contribute. Sometimes, he'll turn to me and add a bit of context so it makes sense but that interrupts the natural flow of their conversation.

I end up standing on my own or having brief incidental chats with strangers/people I know by sight but that's all.

I've said before that I'd rather he went out on these nights on his own because I end up feeling like a spare part. I spend a lot of time standing around on my own whilst he's off chatting and, by the end of the night, I just feel a bit awkward/uncomfortable/bored and, yes, a little bit resentful. But because he's insisted that I go rather than because he's spent time with his friends.

He says I should just walk over and join them. He would love that and I'm always welcome because we're a couple and we've gone out together.

I've said that a) I feel awkward just walking over to join him when he's talking to other people because I feel it looks a bit 'needy'. I have nothing to contribute to these conversations other than a polite smile and so, when I do, I end up just standing next to him and not talking to anyone rather than on my own and not talking to anyone - because they're not really interested in talking to me either. They dont need to get to know me because they see each other so infrequently. And b) I feel a bit rude just inserting myself in someone's conversation.

He says his other friends' wives/partners just join in but they've all been around for a lot longer than me and so have some shared history with them. A lot of them have known each other since their teens. And their wives/partners are friends with some of the other women in their own right.

We've been on 2 of these nights out over the past month or so because of a couple of birthdays - not parties, just nights out at a club. And there is another one tomorrow.

It's a bit of an elephant in the room for tomorrow. He hasn't really mentiooned it, talked about times or whatever and I don't want to go. I'd rather he had a good night out with his friends without me just being present. But ii know he feels we ought to go together.

I don't think he's being a dick by talking to his friends but he doesn't understand why I don't just walk over and stand with him. I don't feel comfortable doing that.

What do you think?

YABU - just go and stand next to him, who cares if you're included in the conversation.

YANBU - it's fine for him to catch up but you don't need to be there.

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BitOutOfPractice · 13/09/2024 07:49

You think standing next to him while he’s chatting looks needy? but you don’t think standing by yourself separately does? To me, that’s odd.

just go and stand with him, join in when you can. How will you get to know these people better if you don’t?

ExtraOnions · 13/09/2024 07:50

…or maybe it’s the third option, go stand next to him and join in the conversation.

There was a time when none of them knew each other, and friendships have grown, no reason you can’t also do that.

My (now) Husband played sport when I met him.. I went along, met other partners of players, got talking to them.. now really good friends

Eenameenadeeka · 13/09/2024 07:51

They should really be including you in the conversation. It does sound awkward but it shouldn't be

ATuinTheGreat · 13/09/2024 07:51

I can see both sides.

I can totally under why you don’t want to go.

It is nice though that he actively wants you to be there, when lots of men might prefer to go without their partner.

The best thing would be if, given that he really wants you there, he really makes an effort to get you included in the conversations. I would say to him that you will go with him this time on the proviso that he does that, and if you still feel no better then you don’t have to go again.

Tagyoureit · 13/09/2024 07:52

Why are incapable of having a conversation with people that you've met a few times already?

Why can't you join in?

AppleDumplings · 13/09/2024 07:53

Be honest with him and tell him you feel a bit like a spare part. The downside to this is he'll likely tell you that you are being daft, he wants you there and to go with him. Or tell him you really fancy a night home alone to watch TV, pamper yourself, read a book, whatever! My DH and I frequently go out separately and it's great!

MissUltraViolet · 13/09/2024 07:55

Go and try and join in.

Even just listening to the odd conversation means that next time you’ll know more and feel more comfortable.

It’ll never improve otherwise and you’ll always feel like a spare part.

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 07:57

Just realised, I probably should have said that, before we moved in together, we saw these people slightly more frequently. But not much and went put for drinks at Christmas a couple of years ago.

I did try in the early days to talk to them but I find social situations difficult anyway and prefer smaller groups. I just found it very difficult to find a place in the conversation and it tended too happen around me.

After the first couple of times, they weren't really interested in making small talk with le and preferred too he part of the bigger group - which I understand and was fine.

But I can't reminisce and have a laugh about a weekend away in 1986 one of them has remembered because I wasn't there.

You think standing next to him while he’s chatting looks needy? but you don’t think standing by yourself separately does?

I don't mind my own company.

I just think I'm surplus to requirements on these nights out.

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GalacticTowelMaster · 13/09/2024 07:59

People saying 'just join in' must find it easier socially. I would really struggle in that situation as well. Could he arrange something with you and his friends separately, eg a night out with just 1 of the couples, I find it much easier to get to know people when they aren't in a big group where they already know each other. If you do that with 2 or 3 sets of couples then you'll find it much easier on the bigger nights out.

PicaK · 13/09/2024 07:59

You are the epitome of needy. How are they supposed to get to know you if you have this weird hang up about talking to people he's known a long time.
You're with a social butterfly - embrace it and join in the conversations. You can always ask a question and steer conversation to more neutral topics.
Currently you sound like clingy ivy slowly suffocating a tree.

Hazeby · 13/09/2024 07:59

Yeah, it’s on you to make more effort. Maybe try getting into a one-on-one conversation with some of the people so you get to know them better and then can join in more when it’s the whole group.

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 08:00

ExtraOnions · 13/09/2024 07:50

…or maybe it’s the third option, go stand next to him and join in the conversation.

There was a time when none of them knew each other, and friendships have grown, no reason you can’t also do that.

My (now) Husband played sport when I met him.. I went along, met other partners of players, got talking to them.. now really good friends

A lot of them have known each other from school. These are generally not people he met 10 years ago but people with a lifetime of history and they want to talk to each other.

The people he hasnt known as long are different and I don't feel the same around/about them.

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Hazeby · 13/09/2024 08:02

But I can't reminisce and have a laugh about a weekend away in 1986 one of them has remembered because I wasn't there

Here’s where you join in by asking questions about it. Where did you go? What happened next?

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 08:02

Tagyoureit · 13/09/2024 07:52

Why are incapable of having a conversation with people that you've met a few times already?

Why can't you join in?

They're not interested in talking to me. I've tried.

I bumped into a couple of the women in the loos at one point and l, even though I said hi, they didn't acknowledge me at all.

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123ZYX · 13/09/2024 08:03

Could you ask your DP to arrange a smaller meet up with a smaller group in a pub or doing a quieter activity? Clubs and gigs aren't great for getting to know people

Gelasring · 13/09/2024 08:06

I disagree it's all on op. If my husband wants me to join him on a night out with a load of people I don't know he makes an effort to include me. He wouldn't just walk off and talk to people for example, he'd grab my hand and say, 'oh there's, bob who I worked with in x, let's go and say hello'. And then we'd have a conversation that includes everyone.
It sounds from the op, he's just walking off to chat to people and expecting her to trail after him?
He needs to decide if he actually wants you there - in which case you're there together and he makes an effort to involve you.
Or he wants a night where he just enjoys reminiscing with his mates, in which case he goes alone.
Either option is fine. It's just he can't have his cake and eat it.

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 08:07

Hazeby · 13/09/2024 08:02

But I can't reminisce and have a laugh about a weekend away in 1986 one of them has remembered because I wasn't there

Here’s where you join in by asking questions about it. Where did you go? What happened next?

But they're talking about specific incidents and having a laugh about them. They all know the answers and they're fast flowing conversations with in jokes. It's not a sedate conversation over a coffee that allows for that sort of development. They've known each other for so long half of what's spoken about is unsaid.

Someone will say the name of a person/place and they all laugh.

When it's been fewer people, I have asked but it interrupts their conversation and aren't really interested in explaining it to me.

Or he adds little asides to give context but it's still nothing I can contribute to.

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FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 08:07

AppleDumplings · 13/09/2024 07:53

Be honest with him and tell him you feel a bit like a spare part. The downside to this is he'll likely tell you that you are being daft, he wants you there and to go with him. Or tell him you really fancy a night home alone to watch TV, pamper yourself, read a book, whatever! My DH and I frequently go out separately and it's great!

I have told him. He doesn't really get it.

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Gelasring · 13/09/2024 08:08

But to answer your question, no I wouldn't go. It sounds like you've made an effort and it's just not happening. I don't social with all my husband's friends. I know which ones I click with and which ones I don't.

pictoosh · 13/09/2024 08:08

Yanbu...there's nothing wrong with sitting this out. It's great to go out as a couple but this particular dynamic makes a dull evening for you. You don't have to go.

Just4thisthreadtoday · 13/09/2024 08:08

PicaK · 13/09/2024 07:59

You are the epitome of needy. How are they supposed to get to know you if you have this weird hang up about talking to people he's known a long time.
You're with a social butterfly - embrace it and join in the conversations. You can always ask a question and steer conversation to more neutral topics.
Currently you sound like clingy ivy slowly suffocating a tree.

@PicaK

no she doesn't, what a horrible post.

@FloweryBlueDress I think, if you love him & see a future in the relationship, you need to suck it up now & get to know them. They're not going anywhere. Try (as another poster suggested) to spend time with them in smaller groups & get DP to understand he needs to get them all talking about things other than 'memories' & try to listen when they are so you can pitch in 'oh wasn't that the weekend Paul ....'. 'Was that the you left Dave tied to the lamp post?'

pictoosh · 13/09/2024 08:09

PicaK · 13/09/2024 07:59

You are the epitome of needy. How are they supposed to get to know you if you have this weird hang up about talking to people he's known a long time.
You're with a social butterfly - embrace it and join in the conversations. You can always ask a question and steer conversation to more neutral topics.
Currently you sound like clingy ivy slowly suffocating a tree.

Nah. She simply doesn't have a 30 year shared history with this bunch. Not sure why you have been so insulting about it.

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 08:11

GalacticTowelMaster · 13/09/2024 07:59

People saying 'just join in' must find it easier socially. I would really struggle in that situation as well. Could he arrange something with you and his friends separately, eg a night out with just 1 of the couples, I find it much easier to get to know people when they aren't in a big group where they already know each other. If you do that with 2 or 3 sets of couples then you'll find it much easier on the bigger nights out.

We have with one couple and I feel OK around them but she meets up with the other women separately and so tends to gravitate towards them.

She's a lovely woman but we haven't really gelled well enough to meet up on our own and although we always chat, it's a bit stilted. That just happens sometimes.

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FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 08:13

PicaK · 13/09/2024 07:59

You are the epitome of needy. How are they supposed to get to know you if you have this weird hang up about talking to people he's known a long time.
You're with a social butterfly - embrace it and join in the conversations. You can always ask a question and steer conversation to more neutral topics.
Currently you sound like clingy ivy slowly suffocating a tree.

How is it clingy to leave him alone to talk to his friends?

It would be clingy to stand next to him demanding his attention or insisting he doesn't talk to him. But staying at home so he can have a good night out with his friends is not clingy.

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FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 08:15

Gelasring · 13/09/2024 08:06

I disagree it's all on op. If my husband wants me to join him on a night out with a load of people I don't know he makes an effort to include me. He wouldn't just walk off and talk to people for example, he'd grab my hand and say, 'oh there's, bob who I worked with in x, let's go and say hello'. And then we'd have a conversation that includes everyone.
It sounds from the op, he's just walking off to chat to people and expecting her to trail after him?
He needs to decide if he actually wants you there - in which case you're there together and he makes an effort to involve you.
Or he wants a night where he just enjoys reminiscing with his mates, in which case he goes alone.
Either option is fine. It's just he can't have his cake and eat it.

Yes, that's what happens.

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