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Would you go on this night out?

70 replies

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 07:45

My partner and I moved in together about a year ago and so see each other every day.

We probably only go out where he used to live once every couple of months or so for a night out and, when we do, there are invariably a lot of people he hasn't seen for a while or doesn't see very often. A lot of these people are friends (m&f) of over 20/30 years who he once knew very well but life has meant they don't see each other often nowadays. They keep in touch via SM and occasional messages.

When we do go out and see them, they all obviously want to catch up.

I find that, on these nights he actually spends very little time with me. Eg if we go to a gig, he'll spend the time before the band plays and in breaks socialising and chatting with others and stands with me to actually watch the band but we're only standing next to each other - neither of us wants to talk because we're watching the band and it's too loud anyway! So he spends probably an equal amount of time with me (which is what he sees) but I can go for a whole night not really having interacted with him much beyond motioning that I'm going to the loo/bar.

I tend to leave him to catch up with his friends. They talk about people they know, things they've done, people they've bumped into and occasionally reminisce about the past which is understandable but I can't contribute. Sometimes, he'll turn to me and add a bit of context so it makes sense but that interrupts the natural flow of their conversation.

I end up standing on my own or having brief incidental chats with strangers/people I know by sight but that's all.

I've said before that I'd rather he went out on these nights on his own because I end up feeling like a spare part. I spend a lot of time standing around on my own whilst he's off chatting and, by the end of the night, I just feel a bit awkward/uncomfortable/bored and, yes, a little bit resentful. But because he's insisted that I go rather than because he's spent time with his friends.

He says I should just walk over and join them. He would love that and I'm always welcome because we're a couple and we've gone out together.

I've said that a) I feel awkward just walking over to join him when he's talking to other people because I feel it looks a bit 'needy'. I have nothing to contribute to these conversations other than a polite smile and so, when I do, I end up just standing next to him and not talking to anyone rather than on my own and not talking to anyone - because they're not really interested in talking to me either. They dont need to get to know me because they see each other so infrequently. And b) I feel a bit rude just inserting myself in someone's conversation.

He says his other friends' wives/partners just join in but they've all been around for a lot longer than me and so have some shared history with them. A lot of them have known each other since their teens. And their wives/partners are friends with some of the other women in their own right.

We've been on 2 of these nights out over the past month or so because of a couple of birthdays - not parties, just nights out at a club. And there is another one tomorrow.

It's a bit of an elephant in the room for tomorrow. He hasn't really mentiooned it, talked about times or whatever and I don't want to go. I'd rather he had a good night out with his friends without me just being present. But ii know he feels we ought to go together.

I don't think he's being a dick by talking to his friends but he doesn't understand why I don't just walk over and stand with him. I don't feel comfortable doing that.

What do you think?

YABU - just go and stand next to him, who cares if you're included in the conversation.

YANBU - it's fine for him to catch up but you don't need to be there.

OP posts:
saltysandysea · 13/09/2024 08:16

I get the problem but can see it both ways. His friends have their wives and girlfriends there but you feel left out as you do not have the history with the group.

But they are his friends and it may be worth digging in and making the effort now and then to try and break down the 'long term friends' barrier. You do not need to go to all the events but maybe turn up to some of them.

foxyhound · 13/09/2024 08:18

Tagyoureit · 13/09/2024 07:52

Why are incapable of having a conversation with people that you've met a few times already?

Why can't you join in?

How rude.

She isn't 'incapable'. She just can't contribute in the same way because she doesn't know the history.

I have a friend who does this to me often and I do understand what it's like to feel like the spare part, waiting around for her conversation to finish. It got really dull.

It will inevitably happen if he sees people he knows and it would be wrong to expect him not to engage. So I would just tell him to go have fun but you don't fancy it.

BigDahliaFan · 13/09/2024 08:19

I'm in a very similar situation. My dh moved back to his home town after 20 years away and we met. I'd lived there about 5years when we met. We frequently meet his ex school friends at gigs and things. We also often meet his ex work Colleagues when out as he moved on from a job where he knew lots of people.

Basically he knows a lot more people than I do. He's also a lot more sociable than I am.

I think you have to suck it up buttercup....you will get to know them in your own right some of them. Stand with him unless there's someone else you know ...most of the time. It's part of being a coup,e.

cartagenagina · 13/09/2024 08:23

Oh I couldn’t be dealing with this.

Just tell him you aren’t attending this particular event, you are doing your own thing that night.

He doesn’t get to tell you where to go and what to do.

TammyJones · 13/09/2024 08:23

BitOutOfPractice · 13/09/2024 07:49

You think standing next to him while he’s chatting looks needy? but you don’t think standing by yourself separately does? To me, that’s odd.

just go and stand with him, join in when you can. How will you get to know these people better if you don’t?

Well exactly
This is great opportunity to make loads of lovely friends
Each year to have a party and I'm as much friends with the wives as he is either his mates

Spondoolies · 13/09/2024 08:29

123ZYX · 13/09/2024 08:03

Could you ask your DP to arrange a smaller meet up with a smaller group in a pub or doing a quieter activity? Clubs and gigs aren't great for getting to know people

I was going to suggest this, I totally get where you are coming from but the problem is not going to go away so your DP needs to help you get to know them in a more comfortable setting. It won’t take long to build a rapport with some of them.

foxyhound · 13/09/2024 08:30

How do people expect the op to just join in and 'make new friends' if they are only talking about things she has no knowledge of. Her dh either needs to let her stay home without sulking or make an effort to swing the conversation in a direction that she can actually contribute to.

There's nothing more tedious than stood around listening to people talking about something you have no interest in or don't understand.

It can also be quite daunting to throw yourselves into conversations with new people, social anxiety etc. Not sure why people are being so rude on this thread.

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 08:31

It sounds from the op, he's just walking off to chat to people and expecting her to trail after him?

This is part of the problem. He and I will be standing together when we get there. Someone he knows will tap him on the shoulder and he'll turn round. I might get a cursory acknowledgement if I've met them before.

They'll say something like "John's out tonight. First time since his operation." He'll say "No way! Where is he?" Friend will lead him off. He'll turn to me and say he's going to the bar while he's there and do I want anything. Implying he'll be back shortly and assuming I'll stay where I am.

10 mins later, he'll return, hand me a drink and be off again.

By then, several more people from his past who also know John have congregated. He knows them all. I don't necessarily know who he knows well, who are long standing friends I've just not met, and they're all talking and laughing on the other side of the room. More people have joined, it's split into smaller groups and I just feel a bit outside of it.

He thinks i should just come over if that happens.

OP posts:
TammyJones · 13/09/2024 08:31

Hazeby · 13/09/2024 08:02

But I can't reminisce and have a laugh about a weekend away in 1986 one of them has remembered because I wasn't there

Here’s where you join in by asking questions about it. Where did you go? What happened next?

Yep.
Like anything you need to practice your social skills.
It took me time but a few things that's helped me.

  • Smiling
  • A genuine interest in the people I was talking to.
  • Harty laugh if someone made a funny / joke
  • paying attention and supporting the women
  • not flirting with the men ( this should be obvious Grin)
NotStayingIn · 13/09/2024 08:33

Over time you will know more of their in jokes but also be part of more recent experiences that they refer back to. So it will get better.

But from your updates I do understand why you aren’t keen to go. They aren’t making it particularly easy for you either and I think you should do what you’re comfortable with, not what your boyfriend wants you to do.

He could be more supportive and try and see things from another persons perspective. It sounds a bit like he thinks ‘I would be fine in this situation, so you should be, so what’s the problem’ which I think isn’t showing much emotional maturity or care for you.

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 08:34

Spondoolies · 13/09/2024 08:29

I was going to suggest this, I totally get where you are coming from but the problem is not going to go away so your DP needs to help you get to know them in a more comfortable setting. It won’t take long to build a rapport with some of them.

The thing is, he's no longer clos3 enough to moat of them to do that and they only really see each other at these catch ups.

The ones he knows better, and sees more frequentl, I have got to know and that's different.

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Mikunia · 13/09/2024 08:36

Your DH and his friends are being really rude. They are excluding you. I wouldn't go either, you've tried hard, it isn't working, and it's up to your DH to force his friends to be polite and include you otherwise why should you go? Would he go to a big meet up if your friends and be happy to be ignored and excluded?

YANBU OP.

gannett · 13/09/2024 08:37

On the one hand this is just what happens when you meet your new partner's friends. You hang out with them, they all talk about shared jokes or memories and you can't join in, you feel a bit awkward. But you have to go through that awkwardness to get to the point of making friends with them yourself (and he should do the same with your friends)... which is often the result.

That said, there has to be some reciprocity on their part. I'd always make some effort to include a friend's new partner in the conversation. You don't always need to reminisce, there are always common topics to stick to (like the music, if you're at a gig). If I felt that wasn't happening I wouldn't feel inclined to bother too much myself (and I wouldn't go on these nights out).

That said a loud gig is an awful place to do any of this, it doesn't lend itself to getting-to-know-you chatter at all. I'd suggest meeting these friends outside that context somewhere quieter - either you invite them to your house, or you meet in a quiet pub before the gig.

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 08:43

TammyJones · 13/09/2024 08:31

Yep.
Like anything you need to practice your social skills.
It took me time but a few things that's helped me.

  • Smiling
  • A genuine interest in the people I was talking to.
  • Harty laugh if someone made a funny / joke
  • paying attention and supporting the women
  • not flirting with the men ( this should be obvious Grin)

I've done all of that with them.

The truth is they're not really interested in talking to me.

OP posts:
Moonshine5 · 13/09/2024 08:48

Would he go if the sick was reversed? You and your old mates and he could stand by you listening

Moonshine5 · 13/09/2024 08:49

*sich

Moonshine5 · 13/09/2024 08:49

*sitch

middleagedandinarage · 13/09/2024 08:51

I can understand this feels awkward for you, however by not going to these things you're alienating yourself more. Do you drink alcohol? Get bladdered and have a good laugh. When they're telling a story from years ago, ask a question about it, show interest rather than just standing next to your DP. I know it can be difficult to fit into a group who've been friends for many years, you need to get involved. Then it won't be long before the stories turn to "remember what happened at x's birthday last year" and you'll of been there and can talk about it. I think it would be the easiest option not to go but if you and your DP are for keeps I would go and keep trying

OrangeSlices998 · 13/09/2024 08:51

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 08:43

I've done all of that with them.

The truth is they're not really interested in talking to me.

Honestly just don’t go! See your own friends, have a night in by yourself. I can’t see the issue, you don’t have to socialise together all the time.

pinkroses79 · 13/09/2024 08:55

I would probably go because I have to talk to a lot of strangers for my job, so I have become quite skilled at making conversation with people I don't know. But I wasn't always like that, so understand it feels difficult.

Since you have met them before, you can use things you know about them to start conversations. You don't need to always stand with your husband, try to strike up a simple conversation on your own with whoever is standing near you. Ask them how such-and-such is, or whatever. It will become easier. But if you really don't want to go, then that should be fine too.

ChampagneLassie · 13/09/2024 08:55

I totally get this my ex had a group like this, I’m very social and outgoing and love meeting new people and socialising. I found the group insular and rude. Regaling one another with 10 year old anecdotes of things they did on drunken nights out at Uni. 🥱the other WAGS generally just politely listened tittering appropriately. On holiday I just buried myself in book and ignored them and after that I avoided socials. I think your DP is being unreasonable; they’re his friends and this sounds like a miserable night for you. Just tell him to go on his own.

pictoosh · 13/09/2024 09:02

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 08:43

I've done all of that with them.

The truth is they're not really interested in talking to me.

I like your candour.
You don't have to go. It's not a night for you...and that's fine.
Think your partner is being a bit of a prick to insist.

Tell you what...I'm 49 on Monday, no idea how old you are. I don't spend any of my free time with people I don't gel with. I no longer have the urge to go along or fit in. I struggle to make time for the friends I already have and value.

Don't put yourself through it. There is no need. x

SeaGlasses · 13/09/2024 09:04

I agree with @gannett, but from what the OP says, these are not the kind of friends her partner sees outside of big groups at gigs a few times a year, so meeting in smaller groups at a pub or having some over for dinner aren’t going to be anything anyone involved wants to do. The OP has integrated with closer friends she sees more regularly. In which case, OP, I just wouldn’t go to these gigs, unless I wanted to see the act myself. It doesn’t sound as if you’d be missing out on anything much in friendship terms.

Spondoolies · 13/09/2024 09:04

Do you have a friend that can go with you next time? I can see you feel like a tit standing there, I have felt the same in situations and it’s hard to describe but sometimes the body language is not inclusive so you feel uncomfortable. It’s good that you have got to know some of his other friends so I don’t think this is a ‘you’ problem.

TemuSpecialBuy · 13/09/2024 09:17

I don’t know why this poll is so split…you’ve tried they aren’t interested.

i had the same with my DH and his uni friends.

in small groups some are/were fine but in large groups they are frankly rude.
we had “discussions” about it and I just refused to go to events. I pointed out how my friends treated him vs his treated mine and he couldn’t deny the difference was night and day.

its basically an awkward truth that he wanted to ignore and have me suck it up…And I wouldn’t.
i did all the things you are supposed to do for 18m / 2 years and then basically said I’d had enough of the rudeness.