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Would you go on this night out?

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FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 07:45

My partner and I moved in together about a year ago and so see each other every day.

We probably only go out where he used to live once every couple of months or so for a night out and, when we do, there are invariably a lot of people he hasn't seen for a while or doesn't see very often. A lot of these people are friends (m&f) of over 20/30 years who he once knew very well but life has meant they don't see each other often nowadays. They keep in touch via SM and occasional messages.

When we do go out and see them, they all obviously want to catch up.

I find that, on these nights he actually spends very little time with me. Eg if we go to a gig, he'll spend the time before the band plays and in breaks socialising and chatting with others and stands with me to actually watch the band but we're only standing next to each other - neither of us wants to talk because we're watching the band and it's too loud anyway! So he spends probably an equal amount of time with me (which is what he sees) but I can go for a whole night not really having interacted with him much beyond motioning that I'm going to the loo/bar.

I tend to leave him to catch up with his friends. They talk about people they know, things they've done, people they've bumped into and occasionally reminisce about the past which is understandable but I can't contribute. Sometimes, he'll turn to me and add a bit of context so it makes sense but that interrupts the natural flow of their conversation.

I end up standing on my own or having brief incidental chats with strangers/people I know by sight but that's all.

I've said before that I'd rather he went out on these nights on his own because I end up feeling like a spare part. I spend a lot of time standing around on my own whilst he's off chatting and, by the end of the night, I just feel a bit awkward/uncomfortable/bored and, yes, a little bit resentful. But because he's insisted that I go rather than because he's spent time with his friends.

He says I should just walk over and join them. He would love that and I'm always welcome because we're a couple and we've gone out together.

I've said that a) I feel awkward just walking over to join him when he's talking to other people because I feel it looks a bit 'needy'. I have nothing to contribute to these conversations other than a polite smile and so, when I do, I end up just standing next to him and not talking to anyone rather than on my own and not talking to anyone - because they're not really interested in talking to me either. They dont need to get to know me because they see each other so infrequently. And b) I feel a bit rude just inserting myself in someone's conversation.

He says his other friends' wives/partners just join in but they've all been around for a lot longer than me and so have some shared history with them. A lot of them have known each other since their teens. And their wives/partners are friends with some of the other women in their own right.

We've been on 2 of these nights out over the past month or so because of a couple of birthdays - not parties, just nights out at a club. And there is another one tomorrow.

It's a bit of an elephant in the room for tomorrow. He hasn't really mentiooned it, talked about times or whatever and I don't want to go. I'd rather he had a good night out with his friends without me just being present. But ii know he feels we ought to go together.

I don't think he's being a dick by talking to his friends but he doesn't understand why I don't just walk over and stand with him. I don't feel comfortable doing that.

What do you think?

YABU - just go and stand next to him, who cares if you're included in the conversation.

YANBU - it's fine for him to catch up but you don't need to be there.

OP posts:
Tagyoureit · 13/09/2024 09:19

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 08:02

They're not interested in talking to me. I've tried.

I bumped into a couple of the women in the loos at one point and l, even though I said hi, they didn't acknowledge me at all.

In that case, they are just rude so don't bother wasting your time!

badsisgoodsis · 13/09/2024 09:40

My husband has a group of friends if it's just them going out I don't go. If it's wives too I do . We tend to chat to everyone separately or together.

If you do go you need to make more of an effort to chat to him and his friends in order to integrate yourself into the group. It's weird to stand separately from your partner and his friends. But they could do more to welcome you in.

But equally if they are not your cup of tea then no I wouldn't bother going. It's fine to have separate friends.

Janeir0 · 13/09/2024 09:45

I think you're being really odd about this!! You are his partner, you are being strange to stand away on your own just because the conversation isn't relevant to you. The normal thing to do is stand with him and actually get to know these people!!

Thrilley · 13/09/2024 09:55

I think it's absolutely fine not to go, but I don't think you need to feel the way you do about being needy or not having anything to contribute.

I have to "chat" a lot for my work and it's not something that comes naturally to me, so what I do is make a few mental notes before I go. Sally will be there tonight, I know she's a Tom Cruise fan, I'll look up what films he's done since we last met. James is a Liverpool fan, I wonder how they're doing this season, the band we're seeing is xyz, I'll make sure I know a few conversation openers/interesting facts about them. Read the news so I have something to say.

If you go, they (some) will eventually become your friends too, even if, like me, it takes a while.

Dontbeme · 13/09/2024 10:08

Janeir0 · 13/09/2024 09:45

I think you're being really odd about this!! You are his partner, you are being strange to stand away on your own just because the conversation isn't relevant to you. The normal thing to do is stand with him and actually get to know these people!!

But OP's DP walks off and leaves her standing on her own? Is she supposed to follow him around all night? Because then she becomes the woman they gossip about that won't let him out of her sight. She has tried with these people, some won't even acknowledge her when she says hello, in some groups there is only so much you can do and after trying so hard you are still the "outsider" they won't welcome in or match effort with you, at what point do you just stop trying to meet people half way.

Janeir0 · 13/09/2024 10:15

Dontbeme · 13/09/2024 10:08

But OP's DP walks off and leaves her standing on her own? Is she supposed to follow him around all night? Because then she becomes the woman they gossip about that won't let him out of her sight. She has tried with these people, some won't even acknowledge her when she says hello, in some groups there is only so much you can do and after trying so hard you are still the "outsider" they won't welcome in or match effort with you, at what point do you just stop trying to meet people half way.

OP says he's constantly asking her to come over but she won't. If I was on a night out and that happened I'd think the person who wouldn't come over was being strange about it, and I'd probably find it hard to take to them as well.

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 10:23

pinkroses79 · 13/09/2024 08:55

I would probably go because I have to talk to a lot of strangers for my job, so I have become quite skilled at making conversation with people I don't know. But I wasn't always like that, so understand it feels difficult.

Since you have met them before, you can use things you know about them to start conversations. You don't need to always stand with your husband, try to strike up a simple conversation on your own with whoever is standing near you. Ask them how such-and-such is, or whatever. It will become easier. But if you really don't want to go, then that should be fine too.

That's the thing

I don't really know anything about them.

That's not what they talk about. It's always bands and experiences and they don't want some randomer who wasn't there saying "Anyway, last time you were talking about X. Fancy telling me.more about it?"

When X might have been someone's 50th birthday party that happened 10 years previously.

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Thrilley · 13/09/2024 10:24

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 10:23

That's the thing

I don't really know anything about them.

That's not what they talk about. It's always bands and experiences and they don't want some randomer who wasn't there saying "Anyway, last time you were talking about X. Fancy telling me.more about it?"

When X might have been someone's 50th birthday party that happened 10 years previously.

So ask? How do you make friends in other areas of your life? How do you get to know colleagues?

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 10:24

SeaGlasses · 13/09/2024 09:04

I agree with @gannett, but from what the OP says, these are not the kind of friends her partner sees outside of big groups at gigs a few times a year, so meeting in smaller groups at a pub or having some over for dinner aren’t going to be anything anyone involved wants to do. The OP has integrated with closer friends she sees more regularly. In which case, OP, I just wouldn’t go to these gigs, unless I wanted to see the act myself. It doesn’t sound as if you’d be missing out on anything much in friendship terms.

That's an accurate summary.

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FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 10:27

Janeir0 · 13/09/2024 10:15

OP says he's constantly asking her to come over but she won't. If I was on a night out and that happened I'd think the person who wouldn't come over was being strange about it, and I'd probably find it hard to take to them as well.

No he doesn't constantly ask me to come over. He barely speaks to me.

When we've discussed it at home after the dacr, he says I should just go over and join them but, at the time, he just walks off.

He says he expects le to follow/find him but u have not said he constantly asks me to join him.

I'd have to actively look for him to join him.

But OP's DP walks off and leaves her standing on her own? Is she supposed to follow him around all night? Because then she becomes the woman they gossip about that won't let him out of her sight.

Exactly.

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BinsinBonson · 13/09/2024 11:35

Op doesn’t need tips on how make conversation and friends if she has no problems outside this particular group.

I beat myself up for years for being the awkward spare part with my dp’s hometown friends until I realised that actually the failing was on their side for failing to include a newcomer. I completely recognise the incessant talk about past experiences (and, no, butting in with questions doesn’t help), in-jokes that have developed over decades and gossip about people they know and you don’t. I can’t recall a time my dp’s gang talked about what’s actually going on in the world - films, news, whatever. You know, something I could participate in as an equal.

I limit my engagement now.

If it’s a similar dynamic, op really is flogging a dead horse.

PuppyMonkey · 13/09/2024 12:16

Can totally sympathise OP. I’ve been to a few similar things with my DP and he’s got the same habit of going off and leaving me on my own. And when I try to chat with one of the other friends… tumbleweed.

I’ve told him I’m not going any more. He’s okay about it. Particularly as I often go and pick him up from the pub when he’s had a few too many.Grin

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 12:35

BinsinBonson · 13/09/2024 11:35

Op doesn’t need tips on how make conversation and friends if she has no problems outside this particular group.

I beat myself up for years for being the awkward spare part with my dp’s hometown friends until I realised that actually the failing was on their side for failing to include a newcomer. I completely recognise the incessant talk about past experiences (and, no, butting in with questions doesn’t help), in-jokes that have developed over decades and gossip about people they know and you don’t. I can’t recall a time my dp’s gang talked about what’s actually going on in the world - films, news, whatever. You know, something I could participate in as an equal.

I limit my engagement now.

If it’s a similar dynamic, op really is flogging a dead horse.

That's exactly it.

I have friends and knpw how to make friends. I also have to talk to a lot for different people at work and have no issues doing that.

But this is hard and after the (as someone else said) 2-3 years of trying, I've just given up now.

I talk to people who will talk to me bit otherwise, I really am just standing next to him and, tbh, I don't get the in jokes I can't participate in the gossip, I can't reminisce. Its just boring.

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FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 18:54

Oh well, I got home from work and he said "youre not going tomorrow night then?"

I just find it a bit sad that he'd rather I didn't go than make an effort to speak to me!

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pictoosh · 13/09/2024 19:18

Now I think you're being a bit like hard work.

"I've said before that I'd rather he went out on these nights on his own because I end up feeling like a spare part. I spend a lot of time standing around on my own whilst he's off chatting and, by the end of the night, I just feel a bit awkward/uncomfortable/bored and, yes, a little bit resentful. But because he's insisted that I go rather than because he's spent time with his friends."

You've (rightly) complained that he expects you to attend meet-ups with this crowd when you have no common ground with them and he wants to spend the evening catching up and reminiscing while you feel out.

He has accepted that it's not a great occasion for you, so this time around, hasn't insisted. All good.

But now you're sad about that?

You don't always have to socialise together. It's fine for him to go solo.

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 19:33

Yeah, I know. You're right and I agree with you really!

But he's made such a fuss about me going to these things in the past.

I would rather he went and had a good time in reality. But I'm also a bit hurt about it too.

Just having a blah moment.

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pictoosh · 13/09/2024 19:37

Ok fair enough. We all have those. x

CosyLemur · 20/09/2024 07:10

FloweryBlueDress · 13/09/2024 18:54

Oh well, I got home from work and he said "youre not going tomorrow night then?"

I just find it a bit sad that he'd rather I didn't go than make an effort to speak to me!

So tell him you're going then? And then make an effort with his friends - they aren't going to want to get to know you if you don't go over to them

FloweryBlueDress · 20/09/2024 07:56

CosyLemur · 20/09/2024 07:10

So tell him you're going then? And then make an effort with his friends - they aren't going to want to get to know you if you don't go over to them

The night has now passed and I didn't go.

At the risk of repeating myself, I'm not actively inclided. He goes off with someone to talk to people he knows and leaves me there saying he'll be back in a minute.

Or just wanders off. If he tried to take me and I always refused, I'd say you had a point. But he doesn't. He just expects me to realise he isn't coming back in a minute and to go over to them.

I've tried talking to them in the past but they're not interested because they're no longer close friends of his but ones he has a long history with.

His close friends, I have made an effort with, we've been out together and there is no issue. But, on that night out I wouldn't have been, and others like it, I'm not, included in the conversations because they're not really interested in getting to know me.

Anyway, he went, I stayed at home and we both had enjoyed our evenings.

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BusyMum47 · 20/09/2024 08:39

@FloweryBlueDress

Completely understand what you're saying & how you feel, but if you don't go to these things & don't 'join' your partner, then you'll always be in this position & nothing will ever change/improve! The other wives/girlfriends probably spent a good while 'inserting' themselves into the group & getting to know each other- you never will unless you make the effort.

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