To not understand the obsession with ‘doodle’ breeds

[CherryValley5]

Eg: labradoodles, cockapoos etc.

They are absolutely everywhere! Why are people actively seeking out and paying pedigree prices for dogs that are effectively mongrels? Behavioural problems are all too common, not to mention hereditary health issues due to poor and unethical breeding - I am a dog owner and the vast majority of doodles, ‘poo’ breeds etc that I meet are incredibly hyperactive, with owners who have no clue how to deal with them. Obviously there are exceptions, some are lovely but as a rule of thumb they’re dogs that I tend to cross the street to get mine away from.

The breeder who created the labradoodle calls it his ‘life’s regret’ - that speaks volumes in my opinion!

I have a rescue doodle
She is a sheepadoodle
Before her we had a beautiful golden retriever

Florence is a joy, in the same way our retriever was

Couldn't give a shit that she's not pedigree, she's a dog and I adore her

The dogs you've picked have light eyes. Most doodles have dark eyes... mine originally had beautiful green eyes that I was desperate for her to keep, hers have remained lighter though but are now more amber, similar to her coat in colour.

I actually love the dog's eyes in that pic. They look like they could see into your soul 😍

As a pup still with her green eyes

🤣🤣🤣🤣 And you did exactly what I said someone would do….
’I can’t have a rescues <insert total rubbish about getting a rescue>’

Just own you don’t want to rescue because you want a doodle!

Please may I have a pic 🙏

I'm sorry, that "looking into your soul" look that you see looks right out of the uncanny valley to me!

This thread is incredibly interesting actually, it goes to show how defensive people get about their dogs. Anecdotally, There's breeds I like plenty of people dont- I love St Bernards for example, but most people find them too slobbery and stinky. That's cool, but I don't feel the need to ask 20 questions why those people don't like them. 🤷‍♀️

@bittertwisted congrats on getting a rescue she sounds adorable.

I will repeat now I LOVE ALLL DOGS and before I got my current boy I nearly got a rescue doodle myself, but a lurcher boy wheedled into my heart instead 🤣

I have nothing against poodle crosses. What I am trying to do in a very gentle and polite way is just say that it’s has unfortunate consequences. But as someone up thread said we’ve also seen this with the frenchie explosion.

So I’m in total agreement with everyone saying puppy buyers need to be more scrupulous in their choices.

Errr no... I think I've made it clear that I was open to ALL breeds of dog before I made my choice, not just any dog crossed with a poodle.

How on earth did you come to that conclusion from what I've said? I'm not risking my children getting hurt by bringing a dog into my home that could potentially be aggressive or have behavioral issues. If me being a responsible parent leads you to believe I'm a poor dog owner then sobeit, more than happy to be labelled as such.

No im not labeling you as that I’m pointing out your lack of knowledge about rescues.

Im not sure what you are so angry with me! So I’ll do a MN flounce and leave you to it.

Actually I know why you’re angry with me because I’ve touched a nerve.

@Ifancyabiscuit

No, actually they're not my cup of tea either but there's other breeds/types I like far less; some of the toy breeds for example... We all have our likes and dislikes.

I just thought the first pic you posted wasn't really representative of doodles in general, that's all.

All breeds started somewhere:

The Golden Retriever was bred by Sir Dudley Marjoribanks at his Scottish estate Guisachan in the late nineteenth century. He cross-bred Flat-coated Retrievers with Tweed Water Spaniels, with some further infusions of Red Setter, Labrador Retriever and Bloodhound.

During the 1880s, the 3rd Earl of Malmesbury, the 6th Duke of Buccleuch, and the 12th Earl of Homecollaborated to develop and establish the Labrador Retriever breed. The dogs Buccleuch Avon and Buccleuch Ned, given by Malmesbury to Buccleuch, were mated with bitches carrying blood from those originally imported by the 5th Duke and the 10th Earl of Home. The offspring are the ancestors of all modern Labradors

Should they have ever been recognised? I looked at a Tibetan Terrier and the breeder was high up in the kennel club his comments on doodles suggest they are snobs about doodle breeds, but for Australians which are multi generational with a lineage they shouldn’t be far off being recognised.

Sorry - replied to wrong post 😆

I'm curious as to what your opinion is on pedigree puppies bought from a reputable breeder with health checks and references etc...

But, as has already been pointed out numerous times, not all breeds are recent crosses from X,Y or Z recognisable other breed. Go and look at some of the ancient breeds like Kangal dogs or some of the sight hounds to see this.

It takes a long, long time time for newly created breeds to breed true and become established in any sort of recognised type. It doesn't happen overnight as you seem to think it can.

@AubrieDog you might have noticed that I’m really saddened by the rescue situation in our country currently. So I think it’s a shame that people are not considering rescues instead of buying. However, what would I rather someone paying £1000s for a poorly bred dog that is kept in horrible conditions by an over bred bitch or someone responsibly breeding? Well clearly I’m going to say the latter.

What I’m so frustrated at is the number of people buying puppies who do mind games to try to convince themselves and others that their dog is not from a puppy farm.

When I meet a poodle cross out and about I love them just as much I love a pure bred whatever. I just love dogs and that’s why I can’t stand seeing so many in rescues (I probably should stop following so many on FB and Instagram!!!)

Why are poodle mixes the only dog we aren't allowed to want?!

People choose a breed/mix breed of dog that they wish to own every single day, why is it only a problem for it to be a poodle mix?

Also, can we not pretend that getting a rescue dog is easy? I've been turned down previously due to the age of my children, so rescuing has had to be put on the back burner.

I'm not angry with you? If anything you've kept on jumping at me saying I've not been understanding your posts when actually I've just been responding to questions you've asked.

No nerve hit here. I'm not interested in rescuing a dog, thanks. As I've said, it's not my job to clear up after other people's poor choices. I take my hat off to people that do, but completely understand why others choose not to.

What I’m so frustrated at is the number of people buying puppies who do mind games to try to convince themselves and others that their dog is not from a puppy farm.

And what I'm frustrated about is people assuming that every doodle is from a puppy farm. Just because you assume they are, doesn't mean they're lying when they say they're not. It's also terribly patronising to imply people are in denial about where they got their dog from.

Exactly. The fact of the matter is, that no deliberately bred crossbreed is from someone who is reputable, and breeding dogs for improvement, not money.

It's amusing seeing all the excuses and trying to convince everyone, including themselves, that this isn't the case, but it absolutely is.

No one reputable is crossbreeding puppies for any other purpose than to make money.

But the people breeding French bulldogs that can't breathe are doing it out of the goodness of their own heart?

@WalkingonWheels yep and apparently despite me repeatedly stating I love all dogs I’m being massively prejudiced and patronising against doodle owners. 🤦‍♀️

I am not. I am just concerned about dogs welfare.

I'm not trying to convince myself or anybody else for that matter. I'm just putting another point of view forward, which is that there are reputable breeders out there, whose puppies come from good parentage and are raised in great environments. The fact they make a profit is a ridiculous argument as almost all breeders do.

Putting it out there that doodle breeders are all equally bad is harmful as you are basically telling people if they want a doodle they might as well just get them from anywhere.

Anyway, I'm pleased you've found a new recruit for your doodle bashing cyber group!

And what I'm frustrated about is virtue signalling and reverse snobbery from people who think everyone should go out and get a rescue dog instead of buying a puppy from a breeder.

So we're seemingly all singing from a different hymn sheet now on this thread.

The person you're responding to doesn't like them. They think they're not "real" dogs. In fact they think any mixed breed isn't a real dog... despite later admitting they own one. They've yet to confirm if they treat it differently to their "real" dogs.