Only the middle class and above think that Class isn't a thing any more.

[FindingMeno]

Just that really.
If you're working class it's as plain as the nose on your face.

It's exactly the same with privilege.
Folk with it suddenly feel disadvantaged when their privilege is taken away. It's also possible to have privilege, no privilege or even disadvantage in different aspects of your life.

Nailed it.

The have the ability for trusts to become their own entities. Every member of the family has a life insurance policy at birth bought by the trust, which when they die pays back to the family trust. During their life they are loan money to be paid on their “exit” against their life insurance. It allows families to build wealth over generations. They don’t own land it’s owned by the trust and they live in it. When they die they own nothing. It’s a brilliant system for creating money regardless of what your future children and their children decide.

In the UK we have different kinds of trusts and we have a maximum timeframe that a trust can live for. You are correct that creating a company is the current best tax efficient method for now but there is likely to be hyper focus on that soon from what I have heard.

Good.

YANBU although I'm 'middle class' and totally see the divide.

Talking to a parent friend today about their second home in Spain that they fly to multiple times a year, versus a friend who is struggling to pay rent, that's double what I pay for my mortgaged home.

It's definitely still a thing ☹️

Well really it just means quite a few are looking to buy property in other countries which do not have the restrictions while also maintaining residency here in the UK. Which is why when you take out an account it always asks if you have any other residencies to consider. There will always be loopholes in afraid because who do you think is in charge of creating them 😂

Thankfully, money never has and never will buy happiness. Of course it makes life a whole lot easier, but wealth doesn't guarantee happiness. In fact, I'd say it does a pretty good job at dispelling it.

Somewhere in the middle is probably best for mental health. Comfortable and content.

Doesn't answer the question though.

Do you believe class is something you are born into or earn/can change?

My mum, born to a single mum who was a cleaner, grew up in a council house, worked in a shop until had us, then a SAHM and later a gp receptionist. My Dad, very similar, grew up with an alcoholic father and kicked out of home at 15. They sent us to private school and I work as an NHS physio. Parents and i now live in million pound houses. My children attend state school. What class are we?

Agree, heres another example...

If I was born in a council house to a secretary and a social worker, am I working class?

I then get a good degree and become a doctor, am I now middle class.

I lose my job and my husband, become a single mum on benefits, am I now working class again?

What does working class mean?

I also disagree, but was interested how OP would classify my family.

If class is anything, it's an attitude, a way of thinking, rather than how much money you have. You can't buy class. But overall I don't agree with the concept

That term is usually associated with the ‘underclass’, which to me is a completely different thing from WC.

I agree OP. I’m an academic and my primary research is on working class writers so I know exactly how much harder they have to work to get published than their MC counterparts. It’s the same across the arts, I watched a clip with WC actors discussing it a couple of months back.

If you’re born into a WC family, you don’t have their money to fall back on if your life goes tits up. You know the song Common People by Pulp? The line about daddy fixing her issues so she’ll never actually understand what it means to be WC and poor… That explains it perfectly.

WC struggle at uni for this reason. They get student finance like anyone else but are more likely to also have to work long hours to afford bills because they don’t have parents to bail them out.

I also recommend Gary’s Economics on YouTube, he explains WC struggles very well.

I'd say only the middle class. I'm pretty sure the real upper class still know a thing or two about class.

In answer to pps question.
I believe you can move between classes during your life.
I am no authority on class though, merely an observer.

''Think Jezza but more violent'' 😂

I don't think it is possible to move between the upper middle class and the upper class but then again is that what Kate Middleton did?

Was she upper middle class though? with her parents careers which were working class made good. Or is it that she went to private school, does that instantly make you upper middle class?

See its a minefield.

Was her Dad working class, I thought he was a lawyer? I don't know enough about them tbh but yes it is a minefield.

I've always thought of class like gender; unwelcome stereotypes.

It's not about money. I have been rich and I've been poor. I have always been working class.

Oops. Always been middle class.

Kate Middleton is definitely middle class-the upper classes mocked her for it.

I wouldn't consider her middle class now though. Surely once you're royalty, you can't be middle class?

They're bloody ridiculous 😂
My mum tells a story about an aunt wrestling a busker on a night out because he wouldn't play her the same song twice.

The same aunt went to Blackpool for a hen do, ran off with some fella for the night she met in the first pub, rang her husband to say she wasn't coming home and had met someone else, this bloke 12 hours later had enough of her, stole some of her stuff, absconded from the hotel and was never seen again. Hen do ends, she goes home and tells her husband that he's lucky she's giving him a second chance and she'd come back to him providing she could get a puppy.
That puppy must be 15 now 😂

The thing about my family is even if I hate seeing them because it's just very tense, the gossip you get from their antics is next level.