Only the middle class and above think that Class isn't a thing any more.

[FindingMeno]

Just that really.
If you're working class it's as plain as the nose on your face.

It's the other way roun. Evidenced by Mumsnet where most people are middle class or even higher but constantly go on about this stuff. Lots of rich people on this website who claim to be broke too, and "champagne socialists' as they're called. Plus people going on about how even though they earn 100k+ a year they're are still working class because their grandma was.

Does there need to be?

Fuck, DP is right then that we are middle class 🤦🏼‍♀️🤣🤦🏼‍♀️🤣

This times a thousand.

But what do you mean by class?

Do you mean economic level?

Does everyone not treat everyone as an equal? I do this, so 🤔

What is holding you back? What opportunities are you lacking?

But isn’t that less to do with your MC status than your teacher (nastily) lying about you? I mean, if your peers didn’t have any issue with your accent, self-presentation, previous education etc until he told them you’d gone to a more prestigious school than you had?

Lots of these are regional rather than class based. ( The linguistic ones, specifically).

But does anything of this matter?

I don't think so myself. Evidently others do though.

Each to their own, live and let live.

Live your life, set your own goals, step towards them. Or be happy with your goal, be chilled and happy.

Do the best we can.

To be fair to him, he didn’t say it nastily at all. It was more “oh Rhaenys went to X, didn’t you?!” We all had the same regional accent too, it wasn’t like they were cockneys and I spoke with RP. 😂 It was so unexpected and quite shocking the way things changed and I ended up leaving.

Yup especially on Mumsnet, on one thread you'll see posters saying how 100k household income isn't enough to reproduce and on the other thread the same people are sob storying about how they're "working class" and broke 🤣

Seriously the title of the thread should be the other way round I see way more moaning about class on this site than I ever heard when I was living in a shelter for homeless mums and babies.

The average person earns half of what the average mumsnetter earns and moans about being broke half as much too

@Budgies99 "Live your life, set your own goals, step towards them. Or be happy with your goal, be chilled and happy. "

That's a bit "rich man at his castle, poor man at the gate"

There are many people whose goals are limited by circumstances beyond their control. As a society, we should be doing our best to broaden the opportunities available to our kids.

". An example from my own experience- the Cambridge-educated DD of a Judge and a hospital consultant applying for Civil Service internship described as the child of an 'NHS worker"

Pictures or it didn't happen.

And middle class when you can sign one 😂

Erm no! There always has been and most likely always will be a view of what class we are all in. The few seconds of saying what you do and how you live your life is a label.

He's posh, she's a skank, they're scroungers, they're rich etc. Hopefully and generally IME it doesn't matter, dig deeper. People are people no matter the background 🙄

I grew up in a WC family (or maybe even underclass) unemployed parents on benefits, council house, poverty, prison stays, drug/alcohol abuse.
I have married a MC man, his dad a civil servant, mum a SAHP. Homeowners, car each, savings to pay for daughters wedding, numerous holidays abroad.
DH is lovely however sometimes I have to get him to ‘check his privilege’.
I’ve told him about this post. His response was that class doesn’t exist anymore!! I think only a MC person could say that!

I still consider myself WC despite now having a life similar to the one I described for DH parents.

I also didn’t know anyone who could sign my first passport photos. My work colleagues mum had to do it, she was the only person I vaguely knew who had a professional job.

We've similar sounding family backgrounds and if you don't mind me asking, was it a culture shock being around your DHs family?
My dps family are WC, just larger and more educated and hard working than my family. I adore them, I'd be very proud of my family if they'd had even a wee bit of the values my partners family have.

I met some really nice MC men before DP and I got together and I didn't entertain anything more than casual dating with them because of my own insecurity about my family background.
The idea of a nice family with a garden without a sofa in it was just a bit too terrifying when I was younger 😂

I wouldn't know what you would call me then. I was bought up in a middle class professional family.

It was my mom side that was this. My father was good stock from poverty in a village who made good.

He was in the RAF. He was allowed to date my mom (yes you read that right) because my mom was 30 and the family and extended needed to get mom "off the shelf" My dad's credentials on the surface looked good. That's the simple basics.

I recreated my childhood in adult which in therapy speak is known today as affluent neglect/abuse.

Ex came from "good stock" too 🙄 Irish background family worked in good trade jobs.

I fled finally abuse from him after 16 years, and we went through the fires of hell with the aftermath. We is my 4 youngsters with him. We ended up in the whole system of this country.

Because I am educated etc I was able to come through it all, rebuild my life and my children. Believe me knowing this system as i do I wasn't supposed too. Background helped me fight appropriately. My sheer tenacity and indomitable spirit I have as I was told was the only reason i came through it with my family in tack.

We were involved with children services and believe me all I will say is the system is needed but doesn't work and still doesn't.

I turned to alcohol to cope. I am now 21 years sober.

I got rehoused in social housing in a very nice place (not inner city social housing) Yes I happily remarried a good decent man from Welsh stock this time

I'm still classed as middle class because I speak well etc etc. Even because of where I live. It's considered affluent even in social housing where I am.

My grown children are all university degrees, good jobs and happy families. 2 live abroad with their families.

So what are we? Ecletic yup - in layman's terms, here's a new class for you "fcuked up" 🤣

Class in the 2 countries 2 of my 4 live in doesn’t really exist. Two here are classed as middle class as in there jobs and homes, backgrounds and there wives backgrounds

2 of 5 of my grandchildren are mixed race. We don't fit into any darn box 🤣 You can shove the box up your

Me I'm a citizen of the U.K and the world.

We all come into the world the same way and go out the same way. It maybe nicer for some than others. At its core we are all the same. Its the - (dash) - in the middle that matters as to how you live your life

That's my 2 penneth for what it's worth on it all

I'm me and that's it

As a MC person who predominantly works with WC people, immigrants and refugees and in general people who need a professional level of support in my area (which I won't say because it's very outing!) I believe strongly that the difference between WC and MC people is the knowledge of how to spend money wisely, save and plan. It's something that can be learned and you can move up and down.
I work with many WC people who have far higher incomes than me and I have a decent salary but they are still living in rented accommodation so the property is never paid off, the children don't have the benefit of tutors and clubs that most middle class parents would scrimp and save for the mindset of i didn't do it and it didn't hurt me is strong. Many have big all inclusive holidays and a lease car that take up massive amounts of money and they will pay these off monthly spending everything with nothing show for it and hitting their overdraft before tge next payday.
I know not everyone who is WC earns that or does this but it's something most MC people wouldn't do. Most of my MC friends buy 2nd hand cars, keep hold of them and holiday in the UK most years with an occasional overseas holiday choosing to save, pay into a pension, pay off mortgages, tutors and clubs for children. Most have enough in the bank to live a few months if there is an issue with work.
I don't want to cause any offence and this is just my observation of working for years with this group of people.

This made me think of Gary Stevenson. I wouldn’t have understood how this was true before I heard him explain how he didn’t know about university systems and what it took to get the right jobs. I’d really recommend everyone listens to him speak - it’s eye opening.

Can't help with pictures but it did happen. She was a lovely, bright girl, keen to join the CS fast stream. She was placed in my Directorate for the summer in her long vac before her final year. She was an excellent prospect, but the Department specifically wanted work experience opportunities to be reserved for social mobility cases. Her application listed her parent as an 'NHS worker'. It was only as we got to know her the reality of her background emerged.

Now all of the people who want to look middle class will stride into threads on class saying "class? what do you meeeeean? class isn't a thing anymore!"😂

It's so stupid. Working class people can and are, be very intelligent. Bunch of poo