School not allowing children to wear jumpers

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Dd15 has just gone into year 11 at school. They went back last week and the teachers were pulling children out the classroom to uniform check shoes, nails, blazers, lashes etc.
They were cutting the bows off of the girls school socks if they had them on.
But they also told the children that they weren’t allowed to wear their jumpers (plain black v neck which is stated in the school uniform policy) it doesn’t state that the jumpers can only be worn at certain times.

Their reasoning is that it isn’t cold enough yet and they will tell the children when they can start wearing them.

My daughter feels the cold so easily, She near enough always has a coat on but obviously in class they have to take it off but she said today the classrooms were really cold.

AIBU to call or email the school to ask why? It just seems like a bit of a power move with the whole ‘we will tell you when you can wear it’

That’s ridiculous. Why would they want children to be cold?

The bows thing is awful too - fair enough to ban bows but a letter to parents goes home, the children don’t get pulled out and humiliated or their property vandalised.

Bows cut off socks? I’d be the parent expecting new socks to be supplied by the school pronto.
jumpers —- it’s against their human rights to be deprived of the means to keep warm. Contact the school, say your dd will be wearing her jumper and if told to remove it they’ll be hearing from your solicitor.
I was a teacher for 20 years, taught the children with challenging behaviour, even taught in a secure unit for children, never had to threaten a child or violate their space to damage the socks!
British schools sound awful these days, glad I’m retired.

It's literally the point of jumpers; that the individual takes it off and on as they need. It makes no sense to restrict like this. Kids should be warm/cold enough when learning!

Why would you BU to email and ask?

That's appalling.

People vary so much in terms of how badly they feel the cold, that no-one else can say they don't need a jumper. If they feel cold with the jumper when the really cold weather comes, they can wear thermals!

This is madness....my son was encouraged to wear jumpers and thermals underneath because the buildings were so cold. I would kick up a right fuss over this!!!

That's mad. I'd be going into school with my dc and his jumper and telling him he was indeed wearing it.

Bloody ridiculous. Ds is already wearing his jumper as he feels the cold too

I hope the teachers are not wearing jumpers.

I'd buy thermal underwear - my DS ware if from post covid years when all the classroom windows were open all winter - and e-mail the school and politely ask them if this is correct regard jumpers - and go from there.

This is ridiculous. I understand them not wanting frilly bows on socks in high school but to cut them off is awful - they should just tell them to wear plain ones.

and to not allow them to wear their jumper when it’s cold is ridiculous. It can be cold in September like it can be warm in march. I also feel the cold a lot so would hate to not be allowed to wear my jumper

Nah, I don't believe any y11 girl is wearing socks with bows on. I've been a y11 HOY and they are (sorry to be so brutal) humiliated out of socks with bows on within 2 weeks of starting y7.

I'd question the jumper wearing though, if it's part of the uniform and your dad is feeling the cold she should absolutely be allowed to wear it.

Can she wear a T-shirt under her shirt in the meantime?

Problem with thermal underwear as it is early autumn some afternoons can get hot and the child, being in secondary school, won't be able to go when they ask to the toilet and take it off.

A couple of days ago, posters were up in arms about compulsory jumpers and blazers because it's always too hot - and trousers instead of shorts or short skirts. And there have been equal complaints about being expected to wear tights. And that fully grown adults are 'floating around in dresses and sandals' whilst their children melt.

If the school says they're optional, you then get people raging because their kid's lost theirs. Or that skirts/trousers are too long, too shirt, too tight and too big or just not liked.

Whatever the rule or absence of rule, there will always be people complaining about it.

True - though my youngest is already wearing hers - as she gets really cold but it is less easy to remove than an external jumper.

I work in a secondary school and bows on socks in definitely "in" at the moment, as are hair ribbons. I think fashions in schools do vary quite a lot.

How many years since you were in y11? Fashion changes pretty regularly you no

Hi, my comment is threaten the school with the fact that you will go to the local press and local news channels if any rules are stupid. They will soon back down as bad publicity could result in parents choosing other school's and has a financial impact. I expect they would soon change a rule. Cheers.

In primary school if my DD doesn't want to wear her jumper or cardigan she can take it off. However it appears that secondary school children/young adults unlike primary school aged children and adults don't have the common sense to know when they personally too hot or too cold.

And yes both some primary school aged children and adults loose clothing. The main issue is with secondary school uniform it is more expensive which is why parents rage when it is lost. (The rage should be a the child/young adult.)

I wouldn't threaten.

I would get it in writing/on record some how then put it all over social media.

You are wrong . I work in an all girls grammar school . Plenty of year 11 ( and other years ) wear knee socks with a bow on the outside top .

They most definitely are at my daughters' school. Mine wouldn't be seen dead in them but kickers with bow socks is a thing. School are different.

No bows seen at my school. Some girls wear the jumper all year round even when boiling because they don't like being seen in just the blouse.

It's supposed to be jumper and blazer or just blazer, but lots try to get away with jumper and no blazer. Perhaps they are trying to point out that if it's not cold enough for a jumper AND a blazer that they shouldn't be wearing the jumper. But if they want to insist that blazers are on then they should be saying blazer has to go over jumper, not that jumper has to come off.

Cutting bows off kids' socks sounds like something parents should complain about as I bet bow socks are expensive.

Thank you all. I know I weren’t BU but just wanted to make sure I wasn’t being over the top.
I know there’s a lot in Facebook groups and online about uniform policies at the moment, it seems the schools have decided to clamp down massively.

I told her yesterday to wear it (she didn’t in the end) and said if they said anything then to tell them to call me about it. She told the teacher this and he said that she would be put in isolation or sent home if she refused to take it off.
I told her again today, if she needed to wear it then to tell them to call me if they think it’s a problem. Once she got home today, she said the teachers were telling people to take them off so she just took hers off because she didn’t want to get in trouble.

Blazers are compulsory. There’s very few days in the year that the kids are allowed to take them off and that’s only if it’s reaches a ridiculously high temperature.

I'd not let this lie. I'd call them tomorrow and tell them what batshittery it is