School not allowing children to wear jumpers

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Dd15 has just gone into year 11 at school. They went back last week and the teachers were pulling children out the classroom to uniform check shoes, nails, blazers, lashes etc.
They were cutting the bows off of the girls school socks if they had them on.
But they also told the children that they weren’t allowed to wear their jumpers (plain black v neck which is stated in the school uniform policy) it doesn’t state that the jumpers can only be worn at certain times.

Their reasoning is that it isn’t cold enough yet and they will tell the children when they can start wearing them.

My daughter feels the cold so easily, She near enough always has a coat on but obviously in class they have to take it off but she said today the classrooms were really cold.

AIBU to call or email the school to ask why? It just seems like a bit of a power move with the whole ‘we will tell you when you can wear it’

That's ridiculous. Sometimes we get snow in April these days, everyone should be deciding what to wear based on their own comfort, not the calendar. I certainly would have been uncomfortable at work today without a jumper on. Isn't school a place to learn, who can do that when all they can think about is being uncomfortable? I'm sure some people must go into secondary education for the wrong reasons with these stupid rules.

Can your dd put an unbutton cardigan on under blazer?
Making sure that it couldn't be seen?

I'd be furious if a anyone cut bows of socks, a letter should be sent home the 1st offence and detentions after.
As for jumpers as long as they are part of the uniform them of course the DCs should be able to wear them .
I suffer from poor circulation, been sat still and cold would mean my fingers go white and numb .
If your dc is cold of course they should be able wear a jumper.

There is a school near me that insist that all the children have to wear full uniform no matter how hot it is.
Trousers/ past knee length skirts, shirt / blouse , knee length socks , jumper , tie and blazer .
It's nuts .

I literally saw about 6 girls wearing them when I visited a relative in a different area last week. I've never seen them on any of the girls walking to and from school near me so I presume the uniform is different there.

when i was in the army the rule was when the CO decided it was summer, we all went into "Shirt sleeve order" (ie no jumpers, and outside UK we could wear our tropical dresses and sandles) and even then, in the flipping ARMY, we could put on a (uniform) cardigan if we were chilly.

Do they have a problem with students not wearing ties correctly? Or potentially wearing branded jumpers. These are the only reason I can think of clamping down on jumpers. It sounds like they’re going in hard which does suggest uniform was poor last year. The teachers will be just as fed up as your daughter! We get so bored of enforcing uniform standards.

I wonder why so many teacher's leave the profession.

An interesting comment from a retired Primary Head was that if you were looking for good examples of toxic masculinity start with male secondary heads

Schools can be so ridiculous, honestly...😡

These teachers must have fuck all to do if they are shoe horning this into their day!

Telling someone when it’s cold enough to wear a sweater? I’ve heard it all now!!

The jumpers thing is unhinged. The socks thing sort of makes sense (although obviously not going as far as cutting them) if you want to enforce that the uniform shouldn't be decorated. But there is no sane lesson to be taught on telling a kid they can't put their uniform jumper on when they are cold.
There is something increasingly weird about dressing kids in blazers, ties, shirts etc when work wear for adults in many industries is massively more casual. It's hard to think of any industries though where if you are too hot or too cold at work that you couldn't adjust your layers to self regulate.

She would then be caught and put in isolation.

Simply as the school is batshit about uniform so some senior teacher would notice.

My daughter has just started year 10 and bows are very much a thing these days

I'd be furious if a anyone cut bows of socks, a letter should be sent home the 1st offence and detentions after.

Maybe it wasn't the "1st offence"?

Idk-how difficult is it not to wear socks with bows if the uniform list specifically states plain?

What I don’t understand is that all we ever hear from teachers is how stressed they are and how they are all facing burnout.

which I fully believe.

so why the fuss over whether a kid is wearing a jumper or not? Surely that’s just nitpicking that’s adding to the stress. To whose benefit is it? Other than some dickhead SLT who misread the purpose of Matilda and thought Mrs Trunchball was the protagonist…

Sigh…

It’s not the teachers rules, it’s the headteacher. The teachers have to enforce it. We used to have briefings about it in the morning to remind us to check uniform.
I didn’t enforce the ‘no toilet in lessons’ rule and I was pulled by the headteacher.

I would be livid with the school if it was my dd. I'd be asking them to explain to me why they believe my dd doesn't have the right to decide for herself whether she is cold enough to wear her jumper.

I would go to my mp if no luck.

Schools aren't prison camps. This is just horrific.

jumper off blazer on

or both

What? Why ‘sigh’?

'Their reasoning is that it isn’t cold enough yet and they will tell the children when they can start wearing them. '

Is this a school or a prison camp?

Let me tell you a funny story. We are English and moved to Wales some years ago in an October.

We saw the Welsh children walking to school in cold weather, many were not wearing coats and the boys still in shorts.

My daughter (10) was horrified as she said it was freezing in the school and I bought her a pack of five thermal vests, one for each day of the week.

After a week I noticed that none has been submitted to be washed and I asked her when she came home from school and she said, "I'm wearing them!"

She was wearing all five each day! 😂

I would have to see the head about this ridiculous practice of not allowing them to wear a jumper when they are cold.

@Jifmicroliquid but what’s the head teacher justification for such draconian rules? Where is the evidence that it leads to a better quality of education?

it just comes across as utter Willy/fanny waggling from headteachers.

By all means enforce standards in uniform - but telling people they can’t decide for themselves if they a hot or cold is just ridiculous. Unless they are trying to train the kids to be beefeaters, it’s utter nonsense,

So you agree that OP's dd should not be allowed to wear jumper when she is cold?

Well maybe if there wasn't such a ridiculously inflexible approach to making young adults with an ability to know if they are hot or cold wear clothing unsuitable to the weather and their person body temps - there wouldn't always be someone complaining.

I work in a school and apart from best tops or sandals I've chosen myself whether it's a trousers or skirt day, t shirt or jumper day. Tights or socks day.

I was in trousers and jumper today and my colleague a skirt and blouse! People don't feel the temperatures the same.

Honestly, I’ve no idea. I do believe in a uniform and following rules, but I think the jumper thing is stupid. Surely provided it’s the correct jumper, there should be no problem.

I wasn’t strict with uniform at all, but if I’d been seen ignoring it in the corridor or classroom, SLT would have pulled me up about it.

If the teachers are cold I assume they can wear a jumper? So the same should apply to the students.