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Should I have grounded DD?

116 replies

didistutter56 · 07/09/2024 10:02

First week back to school this week, and by Friday morning DD (8) is saying she feels sick. It’s a fairly common occurrence in the mornings before school, I’ve always been someone who has some slight nausea in the mornings as well so the general rule has always been that unless there’s actual signs of illness, she has to try and make it into school. DD had stayed at her dads the night before so he let me know, I spoke to DD and she went into school.

By lunchtime I get a call off school saying she’s quite upset saying she still feels unwell, stomach ache, etc. Off I go to pick her up and she’s clearly okay once I’ve got her in the car. I’ve always thought DD is a highly sensitive person (as am I) very big emotions, struggles with loud noises, big crowds and what not. So I chat to her in the car about what’s wrong and after a while she says she’s feeling nervous and worried about her new teacher and being back in school, so we chat about that and how I understand it can be a big change but the only way to work through those feelings is to stay in school and you’ll settle in quicker. She understands but starts crying.

Once home she has her lunch whilst i finish off the work I had to do, and she spends a couple hours with my gardening. After tea I’ve allowed her to play out for a couple of hours.

Her dad dropped round to drop off something he forgot to pack in her bag, saw that she was out and then went ballistic at me on the phone later. How if she was at his house and she had “lied” about being unwell she would have been grounded, that she’s “playing me”, she’ll be pulling this sort of stuff all the time now because she knows she can get away with it and I’m letting her play out because I don’t want to have to deal with her.

I said back that I can’t prove she’s lying, I have no doubt she probably was feeling unwell for the reasons she said and I have no reason to doubt her. And that if I’m grounding her for feeling unwell at school, what’s going to be the punishment when she actually does something serious?

Admittedly I probably am a bit softer with DD, but her Dad shouts at her a lot about things that aren’t that big a deal IMO, if he thinks she’s messing about or even just this week he’s shouted at her in-front of me for taking too long to get in the car and blocking the pavement when people are trying to get past, and being “fussy” about what she wants in her packed lunch.

School have spoken to me about her attendance in previous years, it’s always around 93 or 94%, which they want to be higher, but with her last report she is doing better than the average expected standard in 8/12 of her subjects, and doing as expected in the other 4 and got a glowing report from her teacher.

id love to know how you would have handled this and whether it would be something you would have grounded your child for?

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sunsetsandboardwalks · 07/09/2024 10:05

There's a difference between grounding and saying "no, if you were too unwell for school then you're too unwell to go out and play".

I wouldn't let an 8yo play out in that scenario, sorry. I think it's sending the wrong message.

sweeneytoddsrazor · 07/09/2024 10:06

My rule was if you aren't well enough for school you aren't well enough to go out.

RosieFlamingo · 07/09/2024 10:07

I think I would have taken her back to school after the chat that you had with her.
I had similar issues last year with DS the first time he did it I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but he stayed in bed with no tech and had a really boring day. The second time I had a chat with him in school about how/why he was feeling ill, worked out it was because he was feeing worried about a certain lesson, I chatted with the teacher and then left him at school.

BlueMum16 · 07/09/2024 10:08

If she was sick enough to come home from school she should not have been playing out.

If she wasn't sick she is manipulating you and she should not have been playing out.

Your EH is correct.

didistutter56 · 07/09/2024 10:08

Haha wow, detective! As you can see that post was before the end of term so was the previous year, the year just ended it was 94%.

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Mumoftwo57 · 07/09/2024 10:09

I wouldn’t have followed the above poster on the concept of if your too unwell for school your too unwell to play out.

Maybe it’s worth asking the new teacher for a meeting where you can raise her concerns and they can look to support her going forwards x

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 07/09/2024 10:10

If one of my DC had come home from school 'sick' there's no way they'd be allowed out to play. It's good that you spoke to her about her feelings but she needs to know there are consequences for everything. Your DD needs to be in school more often than she is. I agree with a poster above you should have taken her back to school.

SoTired12 · 07/09/2024 10:10

I think you handled it really well. You got to the bottom of what was really bothering her and she knows she can always turn to you for help/advice.

didistutter56 · 07/09/2024 10:10

RosieFlamingo · 07/09/2024 10:07

I think I would have taken her back to school after the chat that you had with her.
I had similar issues last year with DS the first time he did it I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but he stayed in bed with no tech and had a really boring day. The second time I had a chat with him in school about how/why he was feeling ill, worked out it was because he was feeing worried about a certain lesson, I chatted with the teacher and then left him at school.

I will be speaking to school about it on Monday. She had had previous years where she really struggled with school and had to be essentially coerced in by her teachers whilst she was screaming for me but we worked with school and she managed to get through it after a few months.

If I had taken her back in I know she would have been extremely emotional and disruptive to the rest of the class.

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Beginningless · 07/09/2024 10:12

I think your partner sounds reactive and will introduce stress into a situation you’ve handled calmly and supportively. Although I tend to agree that in the circumstances it should have been a ‘boring day’ to avoid her thinking this is an option in future.

I’d not have called it grounding or made it into a big punishment for lying - this isn’t as clear cut as a lie as it sounds like she was genuinely struggling, she told you what she felt, but she’s not handled it appropriately, like you say she needs to stay in school even when feeling like this. Maybe worth seeing the teacher together to agree a strategy that she can use if feeling big emotions in school.

SoTired12 · 07/09/2024 10:12

BlueMum16 · 07/09/2024 10:08

If she was sick enough to come home from school she should not have been playing out.

If she wasn't sick she is manipulating you and she should not have been playing out.

Your EH is correct.

Yes 8 year olds should be punished for feeling nervous and unsettled in new environments.

I feel so sorry for children who have parents like you.

FuzzyDiva · 07/09/2024 10:12

I’d be chatting to her school about whether she shows signs of autism to them. What you describe sounds fairly classic in a masking young girl.

sunsetsandboardwalks · 07/09/2024 10:13

SoTired12 · 07/09/2024 10:12

Yes 8 year olds should be punished for feeling nervous and unsettled in new environments.

I feel so sorry for children who have parents like you.

It's not a punishment, it's a consequence.

BCBird · 07/09/2024 10:14

If too ill to be in school too ill yo be outside

JanefromLondon1 · 07/09/2024 10:17

NRTFT

In bed with a book OP if I suspect they're pulling the wool over my eyes. If I believe them I might allow TV. They don't often try for a non necessary day off because staying in bed with a book is boring!! No exciting food or treats either, toast and tea and plain digestive biscuits and water.

I've been doing this for decades though and can spot a shirker a mile off.

Maybe now you can get stricter, at least this time you got to the bottom of what's troubling her and can put things in place to manage the anxiety.

If you've been spoken to about non attendance before, it's important you take this seriously.

didistutter56 · 07/09/2024 10:17

FuzzyDiva · 07/09/2024 10:12

I’d be chatting to her school about whether she shows signs of autism to them. What you describe sounds fairly classic in a masking young girl.

The year she really struggled in school was the year her teacher was head of SEN, so we spoke a lot about DD and the topic of ND obviously came up a lot and he said he had no concerns she might be.

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usernother · 07/09/2024 10:18

Too sick to be in school. Too sick to be playing out. Even if they had made a recovery during the day. Those are the rules. That's not grounding, it's just what should happen if your child is off school. Her dad is right.

poptake · 07/09/2024 10:20

Being allowed to go out and play is a big no no in my family on a sick day, absolutely wasn't allowed when I was growing up nor would I let mine. It's not "grounding" her, but if she was unwell enough to not be in school she shouldn't be out for the rest of the day, you tell her those are the rules when someone is sick, she could be contagious but essentially you are not rewarding it. You need to be much firmer.

YeahComeOnThen · 07/09/2024 10:23

BCBird · 07/09/2024 10:14

If too ill to be in school too ill yo be outside

@BCBird

but they talked and she was feeling unwell due to nerves/stress - how does keeping her indoors help? Far better for her to play outside, get some fresh air & destress

didistutter56 · 07/09/2024 10:24

Beginningless · 07/09/2024 10:12

I think your partner sounds reactive and will introduce stress into a situation you’ve handled calmly and supportively. Although I tend to agree that in the circumstances it should have been a ‘boring day’ to avoid her thinking this is an option in future.

I’d not have called it grounding or made it into a big punishment for lying - this isn’t as clear cut as a lie as it sounds like she was genuinely struggling, she told you what she felt, but she’s not handled it appropriately, like you say she needs to stay in school even when feeling like this. Maybe worth seeing the teacher together to agree a strategy that she can use if feeling big emotions in school.

He’s EX-DP, that being one of the main reasons, he is extremely reactive. He does not know how to parent a sensitive child, everything I do is “you’re turning her soft” or “this is all your fault”, not considering for a moment that perhaps his outbursts and anger contribute towards her feeling anxious or worried because she doesn’t know what side of him she’ll get that day.

I do agree with you though, perhaps the natural consequence should have been that she had to stay inside for the day. I suppose because I knew she was feeling unwell because of her nervousness there didn’t seem like much point acting like she was actually unwell, but I understand others may not think the same. I’ll be talking to school about it on Monday and letting them know incase she says she’s feeling unwell again.

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YeahComeOnThen · 07/09/2024 10:25

JanefromLondon1 · 07/09/2024 10:17

NRTFT

In bed with a book OP if I suspect they're pulling the wool over my eyes. If I believe them I might allow TV. They don't often try for a non necessary day off because staying in bed with a book is boring!! No exciting food or treats either, toast and tea and plain digestive biscuits and water.

I've been doing this for decades though and can spot a shirker a mile off.

Maybe now you can get stricter, at least this time you got to the bottom of what's troubling her and can put things in place to manage the anxiety.

If you've been spoken to about non attendance before, it's important you take this seriously.

NRTFT

then maybe you should give that a go.

Justanotherteacher · 07/09/2024 10:25

94% attendance is more than one afternoon off per fortnight.

Mumof2namechange · 07/09/2024 10:26

If school is making her nervous or anxious, you need to talk to the school about how to address that together, rather than just let her bunk off 10% of the time.

You will definitely see this escalate into secondary school and see an impact on her GCSE grades if you continue as you're doing.

YeahComeOnThen · 07/09/2024 10:27

didistutter56 · 07/09/2024 10:17

The year she really struggled in school was the year her teacher was head of SEN, so we spoke a lot about DD and the topic of ND obviously came up a lot and he said he had no concerns she might be.

@didistutter56

id try again with someone who has more experience with girls. I'd put money on her having SEN & needing help.

longdistanceclaraclara · 07/09/2024 10:27

Where is an 8yo going that you can ground them?