To think Veganism has eclipsed Vegetarian?

[SnufkinsSpiritAnimal]

With all respect to actual vegans.

I googled how to stay healthy when going vegetarian, as I am considering the switch. My attached image shows the first bunch of replies.
I have noticed this with veggie recipes, all presume that I want it to be vegan.
If I search for food on supermarket sites I often get mostly vegan results.

This is great for vegans but not for me, as the addition of dairy products in my own diet would make for some very different foods and recipes.
It is as if search engines simply rearrange my words into vegan.

All of the health advice presumes I am vegan so only chatters on about B vitamins that I need to replace as I give up dairy
Surely it isn't just me who is noticing this.
Are there any decent vegetarian sources of info now?

I googled how to stay healthy when going vegetarian

No you didn't. I've google it and got lots of stuff about vegetarianism. You're lying.

Yeah it definitely makes sense from a financial position if you're a business, however I've known many veggies over the years who find the exclusion of dairy a sad experience, like @Sunnysundayicecream 's pizza experience.

The purpose of eating out (for me) includes enjoying the experience of eating. So for meat eaters that may mean some quality sushi (I live in Japan so it's my first thought!), vegetarians it might be a salad with cashews and tandoori paneer stirred through, and vegans an edameme (soy beans are the best bean for balanced amino acids) and mixed bean burger, with a homemade salsa.

I think the problem is lots of restaurants do a 'veggie' option as an afterthought and as @Tiredofallthis101 points out, the average cook will know how to make a delicious meal with butter (I hate butter 🤢🤣) but no clue how to use the correct mushrooms to make a good base for the flavor of a vegan meal.

If veganism is to stay, chefs need a bit of training in how to make those deep flavours, but on the other side I've tried fois gras and it's utter shit!

You googled about going vegan, not vegetarian. You can tell that by how the words "healthy vegan" and "going vegan" are in bold because those are words you used in your search.

Try actually searching "how to stay healthy when going vegetarian". Vegan food is vegetarian food, but try googling "vegetarian recipes" if you want recipes that include dairy.

Exactly. There's loads of info online about a healthy vegetarian diet. I also googled healthy vegetarian recipes and immediately found over 100 on bbc good food with lots marked vegetarian and healthy. Just another boring vegan bashing thread.

Fake meat is ultra processed shit invented by someone who hates vegans. As for vegan cheese - the first time I had vegan mozzarella I thought the chef had added special sauce -grim!

I know, but to many vegetarians it tastes worse, so it would be nice to have both options.

I'm vegetarian and have never had this issue. I do find it annoying in restaurants when they won't let me have regular cheese instead of vegan cheese (for example). But never had a problem finding vegetarian recipes.

I find it much harder now on a vegan diet eating out than for vegetarian eating. Even when I was veggie I am dairy intolerant and nothing could be switched to dairy free. Maybe it is where I live... theres lots of places that cater for both.

The problem is probably in the chain places to be honest that simply just have a few options for the sake of catering to everyone - with a few fab execptions. Their fake meats can be like turd. I am picky about where I go out to eat as a lot of pubs and chains do a similar array of shite alternatives wuth poor nutrition for both veggies and vegans.

As for nutrition you can find info online by asking specific questions about what you are missing by not eating X, I take multivitamins and vegan omega, make sure I have protein obvs. We stick to recipes designed by vegan sources and you could add egg and dairy. Those are already designed to have great nutritional value (at home)

im not sure that vegans have eclipsed vegetarians in terms of actual people but restaurants have a growing habit of offering vegan options as a catch all- and not offering vegetarian stuff. Very frustrating though vegetarian dh is very happy in the increase in range “fake meats” in sainsburys which are vegan

I agree about the horrible fake meat. I have been veggie all my life and have never eaten it or indeed any processed crap. But it's a scourge now.

Lots of food can be both veggie and vegan. Nearly all Indian food for instance.

It's not too difficult to make Indian food vegan but a lot of traditional recipes do include dairy -

Ghee in curries and khidchdi, cream in dhals, yoghurt in things like dhokla and kadhai

www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/how-to-eat-a-balanced-diet/the-vegetarian-diet/

Op I'm not convinced you googled 'how to stay healthy when going vegetarian' as my result was for the veggie NHS not vegan. Perhaps in your outrage you muddled the two?

My Great grandmother grew up in the 1880s. She said the addition of dairy to Southern Gujarati food was ‘modern restaurant led’ thing and she (and consequently we) never did it. Khichdi had mustard oil mixed through it. Dhokla was made with just fermented moong dal and salt. Dhal never had dairy added as it was used as the base of curries the next day. Kadhi was made from a bajra water mixture cooked slowly overnight.

Milk was for children. Yoghurt for side dishes.

Vegetarian options being replaced by vegan options in restaurants led to me giving up altogether.
I got so fed up of dry, miserable options with fake cheeze & no sauce. If a genuinely nice veggie option is there I'll still have it but I think pubs & restaurants go straight for a vegan option & it's really miserable!

Fake meat isn't really for us long term veggies and vegans, it's a gateway for the carnivores, to persuade them to make the step and swap out some meals.

I don't appreciate laziness from food places to equate veggie with vegan. I also want proper cheese and don't always want oat milk. But I do not miss the bad old days of the one veggie option being a crappy omlette or a stuffed mushroom (that's a fungus, not food) and I'm grateful for the wave of shouty vegans for that. Doesn't mean i want shouted at for my dairy choices though.

I'm confused because I googled it as well and I got multiple results about vegetarianism. It didn't look anything like your screenshot.

Mine too actually - she said the additional of dairy made it all better 😅

But there's no disputing taste

The bold words shows you’ve literally googled “healthy vegan” not “healthy vegetarian” why would you tell such a weird lie?

They've been captured by the vegans!! I'm not a member but receive mailings and follow them on social media.I reply to their consultations asking them to stop promoting vegan food over vegetarian food.

I googled "how to stay healthy when going vegetarian", which is exactly what is in your post OP. Here's what I got.

Lots on vegetarian. Not vegan. Vegetarian. Please can I see your screenshot?

Why are you veggie @SnufkinsSpiritAnimal?

It's all true. I can't believe we've been caught.

Us vegans thought we were so clever with our plan to ruin the lives of 'kindly vegetarians'.

I've been vegetarian for the best part of forty years, more out of habit now rather than any strong sense of conviction etc. I really admire vegans and think it's probably the most ethical way of eating but I won't ever go vegan myself... couldn't ever give up cheese and eggs etc.

That doesn't mean that I need to eat dairy/eggs at every meal though, and I'm more than happy to eat vegan dishes in restaurants as long as they are tasty and nutritious. The problem is that many restaurants don't really know how to cater for vegans well, so they either offer up ultra processed fake meat (which I really don't like - if I wanted meat, I'd eat it!) or they produce a poorly conceived vegan dish that simply isn't fit to be served up in a restaurant. I think this is what makes a lot of people object to having only vegan options on the menu.

If you go to an actual vegan restaurant where they know what they are doing, the food can be incredible, and even the most dedicated of meat eaters would probably enjoy it.