To think Veganism has eclipsed Vegetarian?

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With all respect to actual vegans.

I googled how to stay healthy when going vegetarian, as I am considering the switch. My attached image shows the first bunch of replies.
I have noticed this with veggie recipes, all presume that I want it to be vegan.
If I search for food on supermarket sites I often get mostly vegan results.

This is great for vegans but not for me, as the addition of dairy products in my own diet would make for some very different foods and recipes.
It is as if search engines simply rearrange my words into vegan.

All of the health advice presumes I am vegan so only chatters on about B vitamins that I need to replace as I give up dairy
Surely it isn't just me who is noticing this.
Are there any decent vegetarian sources of info now?

Vegan food is vegetarian, so it makes sense to have more vegan options than vegetarian ones.
Vegetarians can eat it just fine (intolerances/allergies not included in this obviously)
Also great for milk and egg allergy sufferers as you know it's free from them.

Agree. It’s been happening for a long time in restaurants and supermarkets. They can’t be bothered
/afford to produce both. It’s really done vegetarians dirty.

There's no reason vegetarians can't eat vegan food as well though..
Vegan food is vegetarian too!
It's more inclusive than vegetarian choices are.
Egg and milk allergy sufferers can eat it as well

It generally isn't very nice though in the types of restaurants here, why should vegetarians eat substandard food, that's missing a whole food group they enjoy?

It’s not more inclusive, it’s less inclusive. Vegetarians end up going without dairy, honey, etc and a lot of vegan dishes use substitute meat and dairy processed products.

I’m all for a choice of vegan dishes on menus and will happily order vegan so long as it doesn’t have substitute meat and dairy products, which, I find is a rarity.

Why should vegetarians have to go without dairy products so as to be inclusive of vegans ? Sure by that token you may as well tell carnivores they can go without meat and eat vegan substituted meat and dairy too.

Where are you?
Certain countries consider egg as non veg.

Vegan is much more clear cut as a term.

It’s not more inclusive, it’s less inclusive. Vegetarians end up going without dairy, honey, etc and a lot of vegan dishes use substitute meat and dairy processed products

You're excluding yourself if you decide you can't go without dairy or honey and don't want "fake" stuff.
It is vegetarian.
How do you think vegans will have felt all these years when there was no choice for them?!
There will have literally been nothing for them - well, maybe a plate of chips or a salad leaf 😁
You do have stuff, you just don't want any of it.

I have been there, as a vegetarian throughout the 90’s when there was little to no vegetarian options bar salad or chips.

The point is more and more eateries are replacing vegetarian food with vegan food, and whilst vegan is of course vegetarian as in there is no meat, it means those who would like dairy have to go without.
I and plenty of others have given examples of dairy being removed from all non meat dishes and this restricts choices in menus.
I have nothing against veganism what so ever, its just not for me as a choice all of the time. Removing choices from menus is not being inclusive.

I'm sorry that some vegetarians feel like vegan food is taking over vegetarian options, but in my experience this is not the case. Many restaurants I eat in have plenty of vegetarian options and some have amazing vegan options too. What I do see is vegetarian options that 'can be made vegan'.

I do think that vegetarians should have great options, but I find this 'we can't get anything because of vegans' rather hyperbolic.

Maybe McDonalds should offer a plant based cheeseburger as a previous person suggested, but that means taking it up with them - demand might make them listen.

Sorry, a plant based patty with cheese burger

Maybe McDonalds should offer a plant based cheeseburger as a previous person suggested, but that means taking it up with them - demand might make them listen

See, to me, plant based is confusing.
WTAF is it meant to be?!
It's misleading, it sounds like it should be vegan (plants) but could have milk in it for example.
A headfuck for allergy sufferers 😭🙂
Just do vegan, everyone can have it then. If you can't go without cheese, go via the drive through and whap a slice of dairylea or whatever on it when you get home lol

@BeachParty I'm vegan and would love nothing more than to see the exploitation of animals irradiated, however, this isn't the case at the moment and so I do believe vegetarians should have an option, which in my experience, they generally have great choices.

Laughing at the dairylea though because it has crossed my mind 🤣

Eradicated ffs

@BeachParty I used the term plant based incorrectly in my first post, but did correct in the second. I believe plant based does mean free from dairy too.

What an odd thread, vegetarians can eat vegan food, vegans can’t eat vegetarian food which contains animal products. So it makes far more sense to cater to two dietary requirements rather than one.

Just go on BBC good food, and filter for vegetarian recipes!

I would imagine a lot of vegetarians don't want to eat the grotesque UPF-laden fake meats/cheese that form part of so much on offer in restaurants.

Not everything vegan is fake meat and cheese though, it's perfectly possible to eat out as vegan and not eat fake stuff.

I have found my people!

If the logic of combining vegetarian and true vegan under "Vegan" is that a vegetarian can eat any and all vegan food but a vegan can't eat all vegetarian food - then doesn't that logically extend to having all food be vegan, because anyone can eat it?

If you can't go without cheese, go via the drive through and whap a slice of dairylea or whatever on it when you get home lol. If I go out for lunch, I'll have already eaten the food by the time I get home. The poor slice of Dairylea will be running and running to catch up with the denuded - and partially digested - veggie burger. Sad!

I would imagine a lot of vegans don't either. Not me though, I love the UP fake meat and cheese (when it's cooked).

@Imtiredthisyear was showing the OP how to get great results from the web by filtering. She was helping OP.

But I don't just want a bit of cheese put on top of some vegan food - I like food with cheese cooked into it.

As someone that's going to offer a balanced opinion on this, it's not entirely wrong.

I was a vegetarian (and twice attempted veganism for years at a time) way back more than 20 years ago now.

In short, being a vegetarian DOES have health benefits, but so does a meat eating diet.

The best research I ever read through evidenced that it's the changing of diets from one to the other that's actually the most beneficial (turn vegan before the fat of meat does damage, turn back to meat before the deficiencies set in).

The closest to a healthy vegan diet I found was amoung groups of Indians, however they often still allowed milk and had a dedicated cook who prepared balanced meals throughout the day.

It's also partly genetic (I'm part of an Irish genetic group that has trouble absorbing iron from non-heam sources).

Do you live in a city? Cos I will tell you now that is 100% not my experience living rurally - there are few vegetarian friendly options to start with and where they exist they are generally some horrible vegan processed crap. I really enjoy vegan food and cook it at home multiple times a week but what you get out and about tends to be the lazy version which is processed and/or full of salt for 'flavour '.

Many restaurants that are biased towards meat cookery understand how to use butter, cheese etc to add flavour but have no idea or interest in how to make vegan food taste nice. As a pp said in my experience it's worse than before- when I turned veggie there were few options. Then vegetarianism grew and options were starting to expand which was exciting. Then faddy veganism came in and all that went away again (not saying all vegans are faddy but that many people were vegan for about five mins as a fad). All I'm saying is if you have two vegetarian friendly options on a menu can one not be vegetarian rather than vegan, or at least be able to be adapted to be vegetarian- which is only feasible in a minority of cases, usually a highly processed fake meat burger you can add real cheese to.

This.

OP obviously just wanted a rant about veganism and for others to join in. 🙄

@Tiredofallthis101 no I also live rurally, but I'm up north. Maybe that's the thing then? I see lots of vegetarian options that can be adapted to vegan, and whilst I see vegan options growing, my options more often than not are asking for the vegetarian options to be veganised. I do have quick access to cities though and the vegan options are overwhelming sometimes. An establishment that is totally vegan really makes me feel dizzy.