Refugees "visiting home"

[Notanotherkendoll]

I'm not sure how I feel after this conversation with a friend so would like to hear other opinions.
My friend took in a Ukrainian refugee back in 2022, she was a 18/19 year old teenager. She didn't stay for long before getting employment/started studying and was able to move out but they have remained in touch and my friend sort of views herself as the girls "uk mum".
Anyway friend is once again beside herself as she has gone back to Kyiv for a few days. This isn't the city she is from but sadly the city she was from was under siege for sometime and is now mostly destroyed. She is going to visit her family who all moved to Kyiv, as the only girl her family pushed her to flee when the war started but her mum stayed put.

This has me thinking, surely if it is safe enough for her to return home to visit, it's safe enough for her to move back? I thought the whole point of being a refugee was that your own country wasn't safe, if you are going back to visit how can that be the case?

AIBU to think it's incompatible with the very nature of being a refugee to be able to visit home?

good

who cares

justice, not soft justice like in uk

a taste of their own medicine

id hurt anyone who tries to hurt and kill my loved one and destroy my home

If not run away to the safe country and call their houses "chicken huts"

Sure, there's always brave people who would fight back and those who are scared and try to save their life

people protect their family either way

Who am I to judge in a safe country in my chicken hut?

The Council on Foreign Affairs calls them refugees.

The Russia-Ukraine War: How Bad Is the Humanitarian Crisis? (cfr.org)

The BBC calls them refugees.

Ukrainian refugees - BBC News

And there you have it 😑. I think you’ll find the UN consider Russian torture of Ukrainians to be systemic, that’s not true of the other way around.

Do you want to know WHY everyone calls them refugees???

BECAUSE THEY ARE REFUGEES!!

It was me calling our tiny London/ uk houses chicken huts as a joke. Actually re reading what I wrote, I didn’t even say chicken huts, I just said tiny and over crowded, it was you who said the word chicken huts.

op, are you a Russian bot? Your arguments make no sense

You must consider yourself a chicken, since you live in a chicken hut. I take pride in my home

Thank you for putting this point across. I too had rose-tinted spectacles before my brother married a Bulgarian woman (they are divorced now). She came here illegally prior to 2004 and overstayed her student visa (language school). She then married my brother and moved in with him. Unbeknown to him, she registered her mum, dad and sister for GP purposes and from that moment on they started flying into UK for treatment, staying with them. As time went on, she brought them over and they are now in a council-paid care home, mum and dad (and sister in a council flat). None of them paid a penny into the system, all of them defrauded it. The family have multiple properties in Sunny Beach area which she rents out, but she does not declare it when claiming benefits (they are divorced now). My twerp of a brother refused to dob her in with the properties when they were going through the courts for maintenance and child contact. She now fakes a neurological condition, claims benefits and they now make her pee into a bottle for tests (she fakes the condition but does not take the drugs they prescribe). When I challenged her and asked if it is fair her freeloading family is leeching off the UK (it was 7 years ago), she looked at me and said - we are all equal EU members now, if you want to send YOUR parents to a care home in Bulgaria, nothing stops you. It is a lie, first of all, because Bulgarian state care homes won't accept foreigners, and secondly, no Brit would ever want to go there - the standards are too low.

The long running Ukraine thread has frequently been targeted by Russian disinformation, can’t see why this one would be any different. It’s a known tactic in the hybrid war being waged against the West to promote Russian talking points.

Unlike the wonderful British criminals hiding out in Spain! https://murciatoday.com/six_down_seven_to_go_uk_most_wanted_criminals_still_hiding_out_in_spain_2012430-a.html
Eh you do know UK is no longer in the EU....and 'the standards are too low' - from a country where over 3.12 million people used a food bank in the past year!

I mean if its that safe you could go and live in the town thats been destroyed.

Well, if all the refugees squeezed into the bits of Ukraine not currently at risk of bombing, there would be crises of hunger, unemployment, housing, disease outbreaks etc. which would make the country even more of a mess than it is now.

Refugees don't have a safe home. It makes sense for them to spread out.

I know a Ukrainian refugee who risked returning to Ukraine for dental treatment rather than attempting to find it on the NHS!

This is all a bit Jackanory.

Yep, that user using the word chicken huts

i remember my Russian speaking colleague always using that word to describe a tiny home

its a very common Russian saying

They're not though.

Indeed. It's a shame for anyone who's actually got genuine questions, but unfortunately this has been happening on MN for some time now. I don't think people always realise the extent to which MN gets targeted.

You have a point, but from everything I’ve seen, this is not systematically done by the Ukrainians to the Russians as it is by Russians to Ukrainians. I’m not saying that there aren’t the odd “rogue” (if you like) guys but the key is that it isn’t authorised or done systematically.

If you see pictures of prisoners being exchanged, it’s evident that the Russians have been well treated in Ukraine, and they routinely allow international inspectors in, which russia doesn’t.

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My SIL hosted a Ukrainian mum & her son (12-ish). She didn’t work back home so didn’t see why she should work here. Received the monthly payment from th government but sent it home/used it for holidays as they had plenty of money. She didn’t do a bit of housework while she was there despite making a lot of mess and frequently went home for lovely holidays. Last I heard she was arguing with the council because they insisted she get a job if she was getting a council house and she objected because working was not for her. Guess all societies have a-holes 🤷🏻‍♀️

Reported.

I don't think some of them have realised that there's now an MN tradition of donating to the Ukrainian armed forces whenever an obvious shill is spotted...

Guess if your friend or family member decided to get revenge after his child was raped and killed you’d report him too