Lucy Letby’s scribbled notes

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At times when I’m feeling acutely distressed, it’s not at all unusual for me to scribble all sorts of dreadful thoughts down on paper eg die die die, hate hate hate, I hate you, I hate you, what’s the point of you, my fault, stupid me, etc etc etc, usually scribbling them all out so nobody can see what I’ve written. I’m pretty sure this is quite a common response to acute mental distress. I agree with this article that it feels very surprising that Letby’s scribblings were used as evidence of a ‘confession’.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/i-am-evil-i-did-this-lucy-letbys-so-called-confessions-were-written-on-advice-of-counsellors

That’s not true, Mirabai. You do have a knack of putting your own twist on things. I said ‘It’s quite amusing that you’ve lamented the conviction of LL by a jury in a court of law and yet you’re so willing to play fast and loose with the lives of the doctors who were responsible for bringing an end to the deaths by accusing them of being so evil as to scapegoat a nurse.’

Pretty appalling behaviour on the part of the doctors for sure, but nothing that they will be put away for for the rest of their natural life. So not really a meaningful comparison in terms of who’s playing “fast and lose with someone’s life”.

Me too. I mean, they must either be completely doubting their own competency or wanting to defend it but being unable to because it would finish their careers. Perhaps they too, like the nurses who wanted to provide character references for LL, have been advised to keep their mouths shut.

But the point is you’ve played judge and jury and decided the doctors are guilty.

Yet LL was actually found guilty by a jury.

No one has “played judge and jury”. Lucy Letby is in jail; the doctors are continuing their lives and careers.
Serious and significant concerns have been raised about the integrity of the conviction, and the conduct of many of the witnesses for the prosecution. It is absolutely correct that these are discussed. Reviewing and correcting wrongful convictions is absolutely vital in a democratic society, not only to protect the rights of the accused, but to strengthen the justice system and the rule of law more generally. In this case accountability within the NHS is also at stake.

If Lucy Letby was a man or coloured there wouldn't be this great defence of her.

She is an evil person who has done evil things and her being pretty white and blonde doesn't change that.

You think it’s amusing that so many are concerned over an unsafe conviction and highlight the behaviour of the doctors in charge of the unit that caused so many deaths.

My point stands. It’s not funny. I merely laughed at bad journalism.

No, I found your hypocrisy amusing, as is blatant in my post. You have decided these men scapegoated her without a trial. Which is ironic given your defence of a convicted killer.

You are being perfectly ridiculous. There is no “trial” needed to form and express and opinion about an important matter of public interest.

You have decided these men scapegoated her without a trial

Not just the consultants but the hospital management, the police investigators, the CPS, the list goes on.

Lack of evidence of murder is not my personal opinion - it is the professional opinion of the pathologists, the RCPCH and the expert neonatologist who reviewed the cases and found suboptimal care. Plus all the senior medics and scientists who have spoken out post trial.

It is not hypocrisy to hold those in charge of a poorly run unit - doctors and managers - accountable for the consequences. Nor is scapegoating a criminal offence.

There is no “trial” needed to form and express and opinion about an important matter of public interest.

You have stated categorically those hospital consultants scapegoated LL for deaths they were responsible for.

You didn't mention the hospital management (conveniently) but they must have presumably scape goated her too (in a huge U turn) to allow the referral to the police and then not protest when the police said they were passing it to the CPS to prosecute her.

You feel free to write that on an anonymous forum, but state it publicly and it would be libel. You could be prosecuted. And rightly so.

There is no “trial” needed to form and express and opinion about an important matter of public interest

There is no requirement for sanity to do so either.

You are being perfectly ridiculous.

I don't think I've seen a more ironic statement written on this forum in many years of reading it.

😂😂😂

The medical experts who "believe the science and statistics presented at the trial were incomplete and flawed and that the case against Letby was not proven beyond reasonable doubt" are not crackpots.
www.private-eye.co.uk/special-reports/lucy-letby

It is not hypocrisy to hold those in charge of a poorly run unit - doctors and managers - accountable for the consequences. Nor is scapegoating a criminal offence.

You said ‘ The only people who scapegoated her were the doctors.’

You’re now changing this to doctors and managers.

See what happens when you unequivocally place blame as a layperson? The goalposts keep changing.

You’re not putting forward opinions, you’re passing off your opinions as fact, which is disingenuous.

Where were they all before and during the trial?

How come they didn't offer their services and go on the stand for the defence?

Is that another one of Mirabai's "60 million dollar questions" that are "a mystery".

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Well do you know the answer to these questions? If so, pray tell.

And scapegoating would mean committing perjury in court, which is a criminal offence and has serious consequence.

You pretending that you accusing someone of this isn’t a big deal is utterly bizarre.

Yes, Mirabai completely left out the management, in her first narrative of how Letby was scape-goated by a group of evil consultants - who were being closed in on by litigating parents (even though the trust would havebeen sued, not them)

But now apparently she's remembered the management and they were also in on it (after backing LL and threatening the consultants for how long?).

Then there's the colluding police and CPS.

Then there's LL getting the most incompetent legal team in the history of the universe

What a terrible run of luck.

The likely answers are fairly obvious to anyone sane with a brain.

Go on then. Enlighten me? Where were these experts at the trial? Why didn’t they offer their services to the defence?

There are a lot of people thinking and saying these things, so if you’re on a campaign to suppress such opinions through shame tactics, I think you have your work cut out for you @angeldelite

The 4 doctors found someone to blame for the deaths in the unit. That is scapegoating.

The management originally defended her and then ultimately accepted the course of the police investigation.

The consultants running the unit are principally responsible for the deaths in their clinical care, particularly given suboptimal care was involved. But the managers bear some responsibility for running a Level 2 unit without the resources to do so.